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cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:43 pm

This will probably earn me a KVR timeout, if not a dishonorable discharge, but I'm starting to feel like all wavetable synths are overrated. Then again, I'm usually 4-5 years behind most trends, so I'll set an Outlook reminder to necro this thread in 2026 and see if I still feel the same way.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:44 pm

reported!

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:51 pm

vurt wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:44 pmreported!

Oh wait, did I say "wavetable"? I meant to say "SynthEdit". Damn you, autocorrect!!!

Dirtgrain · Post by **Dirtgrain** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:06 pm

There is a line, mister, a line! But, to be fair, I must disclose that I overheard wavetables talking S%@t about you the other day.

hoxclab · Post by **hoxclab** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:48 pm

Radio is underrated.
Xpand2 is overrated.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:54 pm

Dirtgrain wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:06 pm There is a line, mister, a line! But, to be fair, I must disclose that I overheard wavetables talking S%@t about you the other day.

I knew it!

Boone777 · Post by **Boone777** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:03 pm

hoxclab wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:48 pm Radio is underrated.
Xpand2 is overrated.

I hear ya about Xpand2. I want my dollar back. I was expecting instant stardom, never happened.

hoxclab · Post by **hoxclab** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:33 pm

Boone777 wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:03 pm
hoxclab wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:48 pm Radio is underrated.
Xpand2 is overrated.
I hear ya about Xpand2. I want my dollar back. I was expecting instant stardom, never happened.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:35 am

recursive one wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:40 amI'm not arguing about tastes and actually I do use quite a bit of agressive and harsh sounds in my music. I'm just saying that it's not the only thing Serum is capable of... And there may be different kinds of "agressive and harsh", it may sound cool, edgy and hi-fi or it may be just a torture for ears.

We actually had someone come up to the front of the stage and ask us to turn down a really piercing part in one of our songs. We didn't, of course, because that's what it was there to do - get inside people's heads.

Some people won't touch a synth because they can hear aliasing at really high frequencies but that's never really been much of a consideration for us because we don't tend to play much in the higher registers, so it's never apparent to us.

For me, as with hardware, it comes down to money. Do I need to spend $189 to get what Serum or Spire has to offer me? No, I absolutely do not, I can get the same schizz from Thorn or ANA-2 for a small fraction of that. Others can probably get it from Vital for free. So at $189 it's easy to come to the conclusion that Serum is over-rated.

Ploki wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:30 amyou have to like synthesis to work bazille

I'd say the same about Spire or Rapid or Serum or DUNE or pretty much all the synths in that price range. They're complicated in a way that your average songwriter or musician isn't going to want to deal with. You have to be into programming sounds to bother with any of them.

rod_zero wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:32 pmReplika XT has quite a bit of features in a simple GUI and sounds excellent. Not many delays have Tape+ difussion algos plus pitch shifting. It is deceptively simple.

I repeat, it' s a f**king delay, nothing more. Absolutely nobody will know which delay you've used in any kind of mix and, more often than not, a character delay like this will unnecessarily muddy up your mix, where a simple, no frills delay will do the job perfectly well so why would you waste CPU cycles on something that is likely making your life harder? It makes no sense.

cryophonik wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:43 pmThis will probably earn me a KVR timeout, if not a dishonorable discharge, but I'm starting to feel like all wavetable synths are overrated.

Of course they are, I've been telling you that all along.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:35 am

cryophonik wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:43 pm This will probably earn me a KVR timeout, if not a dishonorable discharge, but I'm starting to feel like all wavetable synths are overrated.

Very much so.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:17 am

BONES wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:35 am
I'd say the same about Spire or Rapid or Serum or DUNE or pretty much all the synths in that price range. They're complicated in a way that your average songwriter or musician isn't going to want to deal with. You have to be into programming sounds to bother with any of them.

buy nexus and be done with it. Why do you even engage in synth discussion?

Bulbizarre · Post by **Bulbizarre** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:58 pm

Underrated instrument :
tal-mod, the u-he freebies (podolsky, triple cheese, tyrell is nice too), for Live users, Operator !
TRK from NI, Razor, Molekular...
Overrated instrument : I guess Serum.

Underrated effect :
Raum is really good and I don't see the name often. All the other NI effects : choral, flair, phasis, dirt.. blend well into the mix.
OVC128, it's a clipper with only 2 knobs, super quick to set and it just works.
The TAL free reverbs, especially the 4 one. It uses all-pass filters so sounds very 3d like.
Not so much underrated but Supermassive is on par with the best delays and reverbs, and better sometimes as it has its own flavour.

Overrated effect : maybe Ozone. Very laggy and sounds nothing special compared to other tools. I wonder if it even has quality options for aliasing.

kobal · Post by **kobal** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:23 pm

serum is the one with the less discussion about it compared to synth like dune 3 rapid avenger ect, i don t understand that as there is so many users.. it s like they make music with it insteed of posting here i don t know. (and it keep beeing updated frequently with no talks, it s not like it s abandon ware but by looking of forum it look like it, my guess is that it just work as it should so no need to talk about it, that show it s a fine software to me, when i have a sound in mind for serum the result after is no hassle, every knobs are very predictable on how it will affect the sound it s no suprise making very easy to program, while on some synth just tweaking the envelops can t take age just cause they sound not right or the sweet spots are more tricky and this for many parameter, serum sound right very easily if the sound caractere is suited for the result after)

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:52 am

Ploki wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:17 ambuy nexus and be done with it. Why do you even engage in synth discussion?

Why would I buy a ROMpler? I like making synth sounds that I CAN USE IN SONGS, not bleeps or endless drones that serve no purpose. And the reason I engage in these discussions is because if I don't, things get worse instead of better. My voice is at least as valid as anyone else's, probably more valid than most, in that I have been doing it for 40 years and we actually release music and play live. i.e. We do what these tools were invented to do.

melomood · Post by **melomood** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:07 am

I can't hold it back. I MUST speak. A delay may be just a delay to you,but I say put a freeze function on it and it becomes much more

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