Reason price hike starting October 1st

[fedexnman]

But yeah, the Bitwig upgrade price is certainly absurd too (still not quite 199 though)...

FWIW, Bitwig regularly goes on sale for $129 and now the upgrade (at the regular $169 price) comes with a $149 u-he synth (Repro or Hive) for free.

Sorry for the OT.

You Pimp You

[chk071]

I'm sure this is just the beginning of a general price hike for audio software. Corona causes a massive inflation.

Just good that I already bought all the good shit.

[imrae]

Because Rack without Reason's sequencer and mixer is just 1/3 of what it can be. Pattern tracks, blocks mode, in-line pitch editing, grooves, etc. are some of the reasons to like Reason's sequencer even though it misses a lot of things.

If only grooves and pattern tracks could be used together Two great, somewhat-unique features that are needlessly incompatible.

[machinesworking]

...Most of the hate seems to be coming from the crowd that like Reason as a DAW, and I'm all like, why would you? it's a simple sequencer as a DAW. Not bad for automating players, but kind limited for anything complex.

It's a great collection of FX and instruments, better than most all of them, and with that in mind it's not critical to buy into it every time a new version comes out. So I don't worry about them price gouging people on upgrades a bit, I'll just wait for the inevitable sale.

Because Rack without Reason's sequencer and mixer is just 1/3 of what it can be. Pattern tracks, blocks mode, in-line pitch editing, grooves, etc. are some of the reasons to like Reason's sequencer even though it misses a lot of things. And the mixer is still unique, i.e. even Mixbus' or Cubase's doesn't compare, because you can't easily manipiualte other devices from it there, which you can in Reason (well, you could until v12 but that's another story...).

Also, not everyone scores movies or writes orchestral pieces. For everything else Reason's sequencer is enough, even if not ideal (no sequencer is ideal).

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I always liked the Reason sequencer for drawing out step sequencer data for instance. What with v1.0 being so limited at the time, I just always rewired it, I never completed a whole song in Reason alone.

To me a price hike depends on frequency. I hated it when Ableton started charging over $200 for Live Suite, but they've taken three years or more between upgrades, so it doesn't work out to more expensive than other DAWs. DP takes almost always three years, and the price has been $199 forever.

I haven't been able to find a release history timeline for Reason, but I get the impression it's about every year and a half.

[jens]

It's not just about the shorter time-span.

E.g. Presonus ask 149"$ / 135€ for each Studio One update and regardless of whether that is two or three years development time, they always deliver quite a substatial amount of new features with every full version update plus also several point releases that each rival R12's new features-set. You can rely on that.

But while Reason 10 had nice point releases, R11 was very poor in that regard and the release of RRP aside - which of course is not really relevant to those using Reason as a DAW - and a few new effect devices aside, the new features were very limited and subsequent - overall quite weak, I would say - point-releases concearned RRP almost exclusively. And now that R12 came out and still doesn't really delievr much for the DAW user at all, they have the cheek to raise the upgrade price like that, i.e. WITHOUT having delivered much at all for their original user-base (i.e. those of us who were there before they turned Reason into a half-arsed plugin that is like a parody of the original application.

So that's like the last nail in a coffin for many of us DAW users after we patiently stood by for so long. That's basically the exact opposite of what they should have done. They just added insult ot the injury. f**k 'em!

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Yup, that is basically it. Raising the price for nothing.

[machinesworking]

And now that R12 came out and still doesn't really delievr much for the DAW user at all, they have the cheek to raise the upgrade price like that, i.e. WITHOUT having delivered much at all for their original user-base (i.e. those of us who were there before they turned Reason into a half-arsed plugin that is like a parody of the original application.

I'm making a guess here that most of you that see no value in 12 are on Windows. Isn't there a per application Windows feature that fixes GUI issues with applications like Reason that desperately needed resizable GUI's? I think in that sense yeah, if you're a Windows Reason Studio user who doesn't use it as a plug in and is OK with the window manger in Windows, it's hard to see value in the resizable GUI, Reason Rack and the upcoming Apple Silicon native version.

[zoidkirb]

And now that R12 came out and still doesn't really delievr much for the DAW user at all, they have the cheek to raise the upgrade price like that, i.e. WITHOUT having delivered much at all for their original user-base (i.e. those of us who were there before they turned Reason into a half-arsed plugin that is like a parody of the original application.

I'm making a guess here that most of you that see no value in 12 are on Windows. Isn't there a per application Windows feature that fixes GUI issues with applications like Reason that desperately needed resizable GUI's? I think in that sense yeah, if you're a Windows Reason Studio user who doesn't use it as a plug in and is OK with the window manger in Windows, it's hard to see value in the resizable GUI, Reason Rack and the upcoming Apple Silicon native version.

I don't think so. Sure you could zoom in using Windows before, but you're just zooming into the old very low res assets and then looking at a blurry mess.
Reason 12 gives you access to high res assets. 5k I believe. So it remains very crisp at all zoom levels and on any display.

[machinesworking]

I don't think so. Sure you could zoom in using Windows before, but you're just zooming into the old very low res assets and then looking at a blurry mess.
Reason 12 gives you access to high res assets. 5k I believe. So it remains very crisp at all zoom levels and on any display.

Well one thing, my personal tase with Reason is just a slightly larger GUI, 120% or so. So I'm just guessing here. For me those three things: Reason Rack, resizable GUI's and Apple Silicon support are all pretty big deals, but if you're a Windows user who doesn't need too much resizing, and you want to use Reason as a DAW, it's a disappointing upgrade, coupled with a substantial price hike.

[zoidkirb]

I don't think so. Sure you could zoom in using Windows before, but you're just zooming into the old very low res assets and then looking at a blurry mess.
Reason 12 gives you access to high res assets. 5k I believe. So it remains very crisp at all zoom levels and on any display.

Well one thing, my personal tase with Reason is just a slightly larger GUI, 120% or so. So I'm just guessing here. For me those three things: Reason Rack, resizable GUI's and Apple Silicon support are all pretty big deals, but if you're a Windows user who doesn't need too much resizing, and you want to use Reason as a DAW, it's a disappointing upgrade, coupled with a substantial price hike.

Yeah, if you remove m1 support I agree there's a lot less value for Windows users.
However I've been really enjoying 140% here, and combinator 2 is hard to imagine being without now.

I guess on paper there's not a lot of value but in practice, I think these 2 features are kinda huge (essential QOL stuff really)

I have to say my bias here that I did upgrade from version 10, so value is definitely subjective.

But honestly, to me it seems like users skipping Reason versions is baked into the RS business model. More so than other DAWs. Reason Studios might actually be very happy with a greater percentage of users upgrading from 10 to 12 than users going from 9 to 11 or 8 to 10 etc.

[jens]

I am indeed on Windows. And I honestly can't remember ever having thought "would be nice if I could zoom this..." while working in Reason. Everything seems to have the right size already anyway. Nothing is nearly as tiny as e.g. some of the older PSP stuff such as the PSP 85. Probably once being used to the new graphics I wouldn't want to go back to how it was, but it's not something I miss.

This spring I got a new laptop and after a lot of consideration I decided against a M1 machine. For the price I would have to pay for the base M1 Air (8 / 256gb) I got a 16gb /1tb Windows machine that smokes the M1 when it comes to both multicore and graphics performance. I'm a huge fan of ARM in general and think it's the future of computing period, but in regards to VFM it's still not a great option plus I loathe Apple (and for good reasons).

Combinators I don't use anyway. I don't really see the point, productivity-wise, how nice a toy as it may be. When I make music I want to get the song done as quickly and easily as possible. Stuff like that would most probably much rather be in my way than supporting me, i.e. actually unneccessarily complicating things instead of improving workflow, as these tools claim to do.

What I would love to do is to be able to store alternative projects versions (say an instrumental version of a song) without frigging having to duplicate everything, audio-files and all. Also you would not believe that a commercial DAW like this in the year 2021 still has no MIDI take-recording.... yadda yadda.

[fmr]

I don't think so. Sure you could zoom in using Windows before, but you're just zooming into the old very low res assets and then looking at a blurry mess.
Reason 12 gives you access to high res assets. 5k I believe. So it remains very crisp at all zoom levels and on any display.

Well one thing, my personal tase with Reason is just a slightly larger GUI, 120% or so. So I'm just guessing here. For me those three things: Reason Rack, resizable GUI's and Apple Silicon support are all pretty big deals, but if you're a Windows user who doesn't need too much resizing, and you want to use Reason as a DAW, it's a disappointing upgrade, coupled with a substantial price hike.

Yeah, if you remove m1 support I agree there's a lot less value for Windows users.

So, what I previewed in another post is already happening. Windows users are being asked to pay for the work done to support the new Applçe Silicon. It's about time we get different prices. Apple users have to start to pay for Apple Sh*t, not Windows users.

[jens]

For once I agree with you.

[Tj Shredder]

Just trust the market. We are all part of it…

[jens]

I'm sure this is just the beginning of a general price hike for audio software. Corona causes a massive inflation.

Yes? What's your source on this?

https://www.caixabankresearch.com/en/ec ... -inflation


Can't see how that would work by the way even if your claim was correct. People are less and less willing to pay a lot of money for software.