High pc cpu usage for VST's compared to Mac

[MeanGreen7]

it is not uncommon that a new, faster/better build does perform worse. mac or pc. you can see it at fora.

the generic low latency asio driver is from steinberg, i don't know why it is included, nowadays, does perform mostly sub par, and with glitches, and strange behavior.

what @Passing Bye says, well if you look at those pro builds, well, you can just copy them...

so even if you load one VSTi plugin in cubase (which version?), you get immediate spikes?? armed that is.

it is very difficult to pinpoint, it is always a risk you take, an newer, better system. i got lucky.. cubase is so easy now... quite a contrast...

but that does not help.

even changing 96Khz to 48Khz does not help, project settings??

higher sample buffer? does also not help?

what antivirus program you use, it can produces those spikes, i experienced it, a later version of the same antivirus solved it, but i did troubleshooting, everything, reinstalling, it was the virusscanner.

Latency Monitor? did you check your pc with that?

considering the specs, your built must work great. but there are always factors, strange factors, all drivers installed for the main board, all the right usb drivers. no strange usb devices...

etc. etc.

Yep, one plugin, assuming it is cpu intensive (think synths like Reaktor). Asio guard alleviates this to some extent, but that feature is not available in Ableton.

Switching to 48K, 1024 buffer size does help, but in my opinion this is not an acceptable solution. We are talking about a 10-15% increase in idle cpu load for an individual plugin. Certain presets are unusable on my windows machine currently.

I have checked every driver, as well as updated to current version of all firmware, bios, os etc.
Latency Mon did not show any issues with realtime audio. I'm just using base windows defender. I even tried completely disabling it which didn't help. I really don't know what it could be.

1024 buffer size is not acceptable, when playing in... although perhaps the output latency can be quite good.

but the performance issue, i built a new desktop pc, because of VSTi's that mostly depend on one core, like Reaktor, Softube Modular etc, that i want to have more headroom, more possibilities.
i did an AMD build, i think almost the same single core performance, 2 more cores. does not matter.
works perfect. and it indeed i can make patches now, that were impossible before, or even things that weren't that complex (M4L devices, that take a lot, also one core..), perform much and much better, no bouncing necessary. i don't really needed bouncing at my previous system, mainly i make my own patches, i think i knew not what to do, to get a great sound without overstressing...

well not that important. but this is perhaps a bit important:

i noticed one thing; my Motu Ultralite MK3 Hybrid was always unstable, after switching DAW's, programs, i do a lot of 'treatments'. now it is completely stable.... and does also react better...
but the latter can be also a better single core performance + more cores...
although my CPU is very lazy.... i mean AMD works different than intel it seems, or... still balancing it, but the performance is already there. while half the cores are asleep... no peaks anymore in cubase, the average buffer use is so steady, a bit strange. or i must get used to it...

o well..

HWinfo64, check the real core performance, in ghz, in sensors (tab)...
because taskmanager shows other values..

the Lynx aurora how is it connected? it can be that there is a conflict, that the usb chipset, is it usb, or TB3? o you say a card system... i was a nerd, but don't know what that is.
what is card system? a dedicated PCIe card??

this is difficult from a distance to determine what the problem is, a pc can perform as a mac, and mac's have also their problems. sub par performances, that are also pretty difficult to solve.

Yes, I have read that AMD single core performance is very very good. I went with Intel though because of its familiar and tested nature. I read about some issues with AMD chips and certain hardware. I'm glad yours is working though!

I don't have HWinfo64, but I do have CPU-Z, and it displays my single core clock speed to be 4.8mhz. I think that's what you mean.

The Aurora is connected via thunderbolt 3 not usb. I wasn't referring to a pcie card. What I meant by card system, is that instead of it having multiple connectivity options (usb, thunderbolt, spdif etc.) you choose which connection option you want and they install it into the unit. It can then be changed later since the "card" can be removed and replaced with something else. It allows for you to change the way the interface is setup depending on if your needs change. It's a very clever system.

I realize it is very difficult to try and figure out, and I appreciate everyone that has offered suggestions. I also want to be clear that I had no intention of turning this into a Mac vs PC thread. Mac is simply the only system I am familiar with, so that is of course going to we what I compare to.

[MeanGreen7]

You wrote early that you see 20 cores active, meaning you have hyper threading active. You can try disabling it, as suggested on page 7 here:
https://gigperformer.com/how-to-optimiz ... ree-ebook/

I tried that but all it did was make my multi core performance worse. It did not do anything to change this issue.

[WasteLand]

Yes, I have read that AMD single core performance is very very good. I went with Intel though because of its familiar and tested nature. I read about some issues with AMD chips and certain hardware. I'm glad yours is working though!

they are on par now with intel, or a bit better, not spectular, well with more cores. but the difference isn't that big. zen 1 & 2 weren't that great. i had always Intel, and wanted again Intel, but the 5900X, was the best option for me. and yes, considering... but i choose wisely...
some hardware indeed, is a problem, solved by a PCIe card/interface, with usb 3 connectors, other chipset. (also can be a problem with intel, but with AMD chances are a lot bigger, i think..).

I don't have HWinfo64, but I do have CPU-Z, and it displays my single core clock speed to be 4.8mhz. I think that's what you mean.

i think indeed intel gives the real clock, in CPU-Z, amd does not... in HWinfo64 you see 11 (or 22, logical) sleeping with my AMD, still getting used to it, why it does not what i want... but still performance is great..

this is with high performance plan, i assume?

The Aurora is connected via thunderbolt 3 not usb. I wasn't referring to a pcie card. What I meant by card system, is that instead of it having multiple connectivity options (usb, thunderbolt, spdif etc.) you choose which connection option you want and they install it into the unit. It can then be changed later since the "card" can be removed and replaced with something else. It allows for you to change the way the interface is setup depending on if your needs change. It's a very clever system.

I realize it is very difficult to try and figure out, and I appreciate everyone that has offered suggestions. I also want to be clear that I had no intention of turning this into a Mac vs PC thread. Mac is simply the only system I am familiar with, so that is of course going to we what I compare to.

problems are on the mac side and on pc side, there is no difference in a way....

thunderbolt 3, on the motherboard?

i understand now the card system, nice, by the way.

the only thing you didn't try is another soundinterface, well that is not always that easy, of course.....

of there is a problem, troubleshooting starts with disconnecting, or change videocard, memory, etc.

it is indeed difficult to figure it out. perhaps the main board, did i write motherboard, that is dutch..., is the problem with TB3.. i think you already, checked that.

this isn't a mac against pc thread, any setup can have problems..

it is frustrating, to have a new desktop pc, with great specs, that doesn't perform...

it is in all the DAW's, you have, so... latency mon is alright...

then i assume there is something with the connection sound interface - pc. i assume.

but what??? (the best thing is, if someone has almost, the same setup, cpu mainboard and soundinterface, if they don't have that problem, or have. or that people with another mainboard, for example, if the main board has the TB3 interface, for intel, don't have problems with the soundinterface. but how??)

there is no general reason why your setup can't perform like your mac. or better... because of the CPU.

i hope you can get it solved!

[MeanGreen7]

problems are on the mac side and on pc side, there is no difference in a way....

thunderbolt 3, on the motherboard?

i understand now the card system, nice, by the way.

the only thing you didn't try is another soundinterface, well that is not always that easy, of course.....

of there is a problem, troubleshooting starts with disconnecting, or change videocard, memory, etc.

it is indeed difficult to figure it out. perhaps the main board, did i write motherboard, that is dutch..., is the problem with TB3.. i think you already, checked that.

this isn't a mac against pc thread, any setup can have problems..

it is frustrating, to have a new desktop pc, with great specs, that doesn't perform...

it is in all the DAW's, you have, so... latency mon is alright...

then i assume there is something with the connection sound interface - pc. i assume.

but what??? (the best thing is, if someone has almost, the same setup, cpu mainboard and soundinterface, if they don't have that problem, or have. or that people with another mainboard, for example, if the main board has the TB3 interface, for intel, don't have problems with the soundinterface. but how??)

there is no general reason why your setup can't perform like your mac. or better... because of the CPU.

i hope you can get it solved!

Yes, I was hoping somebody would have a similar setup, but so far no. Anyway thanks for trying, you have been very pleasant to speak with.