Hornet Opinions?

[pekbro]

I think for the money Hornet plugins are hard to beat, he tends to offer super affordable alternatives to often quite a lot more costly specialized products. I (personally) think his UI design has gone down since I first started using them, but they always do the job as advertised and I often find them vastly superior in the area of cpu / general efficiency to much of the available competition. A lot of the stuff is quite good actually, even if not the best available. I've never had a problem getting ahold of him for support either, maybe there is some issue.

[kidslow]

Are we here to be helful to Hornet plugins or are we here to discuss the quality of sound ? This is a music production forum, not a charity forum.

So let's debate the alternatives you chose over Hornet and what technical merits you used to evaluate them. You start. There are plenty of alternatives. Many replicate things that can be done in the DAW. Many compete with Waves and other major vendor suites. Some are unique.

I've not encountered technical problems in any Hornet plugins, but I've not pushed them very hard either. I own quite a few and regret the impulsive purchase of some ... but they can be resold. Saverio continues to regularly update his existing plugins and major upgrades have thus far been incredibly affordable. I find it hard to believe someone is unable to get support from him without there being more to the story. In my experience, he's comported himself respectfully and been responsive generally.

There are also plenty of reasons besides just quality of sound why one might choose this audio plugin over that:

• price
• marketing
• CPU load
• drive space utilization
• (in)convenient installer
• authentication mechanism
• user interface
• workflow
• (un)supportive developer
• good/bad reviews
• availability of documentation
• video tutorials
• presets
• resale policy

Sound quality is important but it's never just quality of sound.

[DJErmac]

Are we here to be helful to Hornet plugins or are we here to discuss the quality of sound ? This is a music production forum, not a charity forum.

So let's debate the alternatives you chose over Hornet and what technical merits you used to evaluate them. You start. There are plenty of alternatives. Many replicate things that can be done in the DAW. Many compete with Waves and other major vendor suites. Some are unique.

I've not encountered technical problems in any Hornet plugins, but I've not pushed them very hard either. I own quite a few and regret the impulsive purchase of some ... but they can be resold. Saverio continues to regularly update his existing plugins and major upgrades have thus far been incredibly affordable. I find it hard to believe someone is unable to get support from him without there being more to the story. In my experience, he's comported himself respectfully and been responsive generally.

There are also plenty of reasons besides just quality of sound why one might choose this audio plugin over that:

• price
• marketing
• CPU load
• drive space utilization
• (in)convenient installer
• authentication mechanism
• user interface
• workflow
• (un)supportive developer
• good/bad reviews
• availability of documentation
• video tutorials
• presets
• resale policy

Sound quality is important but it's never just quality of sound.

OK. So first, let's see where we can't agree and go further.

I don't care about :
- updates (if it's working, it's working, I'll care about updates when something goes wrong, rarely happened, solid stuff doesn't need constant updates)
- marketing (why should I care ? I buy what I need)
- CPU load (when you work, you make compromizes : if the sound is right, are you watching your meter ? I'm not, I'm enjoying the sound)
- drive space utilisation (not even looking at this detail)
- installer (a simple DLL and you're ready to go)
- authentification mechanism (are you talking about the copy protection here ? If it's working, it's working)
- user interface (if I can use it without any problem, that's good for me)
- workflow (please see above)
- unsupportive developer (once again, I don't care, if it's working, I have no reason to contact the developer, that's part of YOUR responsability to properly test the plugin before you buy)
- good/bad reviews (why should I care ?)
- availability of documentation (rarely needed any)
- presets (I only use presets for synths, never for FX)
- resale policy (I care about it when I dislike the plugin, so it never should matter at purchase for me, if I care then there is a HUGE problem in my mind when I buy it. So once again, this is YOUR responsability to know what you're buying.)

To me, the only thing that matters is : is the plugin working correctly (which is MY problem), and is it sounding better (or bringing me a different sound) than what I already have ?

The "technical merits" you're talking about are nothing but my personal ears. That's nothing you can objectively judge, I'm giving an opinion. We're talking between users, that's what forums are made for, nobody KNOWS here. MY opinion is that Hornet plugins can be easily replaced with other solutions, and that's always the good choice for me. Sometimes they're cheaper, sometimes not (true, the guy made complex sounding plugins). But in the end, I never needed any.

[kidslow]

The "technical merits" you're talking about are nothing but my personal ears. That's nothing you can objectively judge, I'm giving an opinion. We're talking between users, that's what forums are made for, nobody KNOWS here. MY opinion is that Hornet plugins can be easily replaced with other solutions, and that's always the good choice for me. Sometimes they're cheaper, sometimes not (true, the guy made complex sounding plugins). But in the end, I never needed any.

You haven't addressed the one question that can prove useful to the rest of the forum. So which Hornet plugins did you evaluate, and what did you replace them with and why?

[DJErmac]

The "technical merits" you're talking about are nothing but my personal ears. That's nothing you can objectively judge, I'm giving an opinion. We're talking between users, that's what forums are made for, nobody KNOWS here. MY opinion is that Hornet plugins can be easily replaced with other solutions, and that's always the good choice for me. Sometimes they're cheaper, sometimes not (true, the guy made complex sounding plugins). But in the end, I never needed any.

You haven't addressed the one question that can prove useful to the rest of the forum. So which Hornet plugins did you evaluate, and what did you replace them with and why?

Oh, I don't remember any of them. Everytime I've tried one, I told myself : meh. Then forgot about those.
It would be way faster for you who knows them to enumerate some of them, then I could say which one I prefer over them.
If you have some free time, I will.
It's easy to tell which compressor or limiter I like best (and which ones are priced right). Not easy to remember plugin names I've tried once.

[kPere]

Are we here to be helful to Hornet plugins or are we here to discuss the quality of sound ? This is a music production forum, not a charity forum.

So let's debate the alternatives you chose over Hornet and what technical merits you used to evaluate them. You start. There are plenty of alternatives. Many replicate things that can be done in the DAW. Many compete with Waves and other major vendor suites. Some are unique.

I've not encountered technical problems in any Hornet plugins, but I've not pushed them very hard either. I own quite a few and regret the impulsive purchase of some ... but they can be resold. Saverio continues to regularly update his existing plugins and major upgrades have thus far been incredibly affordable. I find it hard to believe someone is unable to get support from him without there being more to the story. In my experience, he's comported himself respectfully and been responsive generally.

There are also plenty of reasons besides just quality of sound why one might choose this audio plugin over that:

• price
• marketing
• CPU load
• drive space utilization
• (in)convenient installer
• authentication mechanism
• user interface
• workflow
• (un)supportive developer
• good/bad reviews
• availability of documentation
• video tutorials
• presets
• resale policy

Sound quality is important but it's never just quality of sound.

Came here because I created several support tickets with totally no reaponse over last few months. No additional story behind it, so better believe it (and I was shocked too), especially that Im not the only one treated that way. As for small dev with mediocre plugins (or are they special in any way?) I find it disrespectful

[kidslow]

Came here because I created several support tickets with totally no reaponse over last few months. No additional story behind it, so better believe it (and I was shocked too), especially that Im not the only one treated that way. As for small dev with mediocre plugins (or are they special in any way?) I find it disrespectful

I saw your previous post. Please share more details about the issues you reported to Hornet support. Were they bugs, feature requests, account problems ... which of their products, etc.

[HoRNet]

Hi everyone. I need to apologize for the support request not being replied. This all has to do with personal issues with both me and the guy who handles the support requests. We had some difficult months with not much time to work left so we tried our best but we were not able to satisfy all the requests.

We have grown a lot in the last year and now we have more than 66K users in our database which are a lot for a three person company, this is not an excuse though as we need to be more responsive and we are slowing catching up.

Regarding the sound and features of our plugins, we are here to learn and to listen do the needs of music producers and mixers, so if you feel like you can help us improve suggesting new plugins design or features just send an email to saverio.vigni@hornetplugins.com I will be happy to consider them.

Also if you don't get a reply to any support request in time don't hesitate to let me know at the above address.

thank you
Saverio

[The Noodlist]

A fair, honest guy.
Thirty One and MultiFreqs are definitely worth a look along with others. Fair products at a fair price from a fair guy.
I'd like VU Meter to have an auto gain for human hearing perception, you know, 2-3k sounds louder and have this compensated for within the auto gain.

[El°HYM]

Also got to jump in for some more positive Words about HoRNet, which are most definitely worth to check out, especially for people on a Budget. Some might still be buggy, others get pretty frequent Updates. I do frequently report Bugs, or suggest new features and usually also get a Reply. Cant say about the Support as I have never used that, or never needed to use it. Since ThirtyOne MK2 was already mentioned here, let me throw in a few more:

- Tape (very subtle & useful)
- SW34EQ MK2 (musical eq)
- Total EQ (surgical eq with some saturation)
- AnalogStage (again, subtle 'analog' ITB warmth)
- Corrosion (Could need an Update; still good though)
- ElliptiQ (You will not know that you need this, until you try it)

Plus the Track Utilities and Meters, which will depend on your Workflow, are all useful and reliable, imho. Lets also keep in Mind that all of those are pretty affordable and can give a good Opportunity to Producers who are not that rich to still have some good Tools in the Box.

So do you need them?

Well, you could just try what seems interesting and for those without a Demo - version, there is a 15 Days - Money - Back offer (also not so common and surely fair). I dont really see a huge Problem here (Except the Corrosion Update and the ElliptiQ 6db - filter Addition).

[kPere]

Came here because I created several support tickets with totally no reaponse over last few months. No additional story behind it, so better believe it (and I was shocked too), especially that Im not the only one treated that way. As for small dev with mediocre plugins (or are they special in any way?) I find it disrespectful

I saw your previous post. Please share more details about the issues you reported to Hornet support. Were they bugs, feature requests, account problems ... which of their products, etc.

Im talking about ThirtyOne randomly disappearing in Pro Tools. Only plugin behaving like that, tried everything on my side (reinstalls of plugin and daw, plug rescans etc.) In effect i bought a plugin i cannot use, and cannot do anything about it, left with no support - hence my letdown. Since Saverio responded in here, Ill be continueing my issue privately.

[codec_spurt]

kjl

[ThSProd]

Hi, what do you think about the Total EQ? Could be a valid alternative to something like tdr nova/tdr slick eq or is inferior/designed for different things? And also, the dynamic eq has a attack and release selection or is auto? Can anyone reccomend me any other eq with autogain? Thank you all!

[HoRNet]

A fair, honest guy.
Thirty One and MultiFreqs are definitely worth a look along with others. Fair products at a fair price from a fair guy.
I'd like VU Meter to have an auto gain for human hearing perception, you know, 2-3k sounds louder and have this compensated for within the auto gain.

well... we have LU Meter that using LUFS as base for measuring loudness takes into account frequency content.

Saverio

[The Noodlist]

A fair, honest guy.
Thirty One and MultiFreqs are definitely worth a look along with others. Fair products at a fair price from a fair guy.
I'd like VU Meter to have an auto gain for human hearing perception, you know, 2-3k sounds louder and have this compensated for within the auto gain.

well... we have LU Meter that using LUFS as base for measuring loudness takes into account frequency content.

Saverio

Thanks, I'll try it. I have it in my Hornet account.