KNIFONIUM synth released

[BONES]

what a bullshit argument for lazy coding

This is just you putting obstacles in your own way for no reason. Again. It's almost as if you go looking for things to complain about. I don't care how hard the coders work, I only care that the result does what I need it to. Synth 1, for example, is just about the worst aliasing synth of all time yet it is also one of the most popular of all time because everyone is happy to work within its limitations.

Aliasing is so easy to deal with. e.g. If you listen to a single osc in JP6K in the higher registers, the aliasing is really obvious but as soon as you dial in a few extra saws and give them a bit of detune and spread, which is what that synth is all about, you can't hear it any more. That's probably why I've never noticed it with Knifonium, either - I pretty much always run it with unison.

This is not an "either or" scenario. It's not "oh i'll take aliasing because the other option is boring and sterile" - because that's not true. The other options are great and don't alias.

First of all, name one. Secondly, Knifonium doesn't alias when I use it. Just now I tried it out with the default patch. At C8 there is just the tiniest amount of aliasing but you can't really hear it for all the pseudo-analogue noisy shit they put in there so it sounds authentic. 2 voice unison hides it pretty much completely, as does adding VCO 2 with a tiny amount of detune. At C6 I can't hear any aliasing at all and that's still an ear-piercing shriek, not something I'd be using in my music. Honestly, it is a total non-issue.

You have plenty of synths that sound this good or better with no aliasing

No I don't. This thing sounds quite special. For $39 it is a total no-brainer for anyone more interested in making good music more than using well-coded software.

[Ploki]

Another false dichotomy. You can be interested in both at the same time - making music with well coded software.

The world isn’t binary bones.
Also i’m not saying aliasing is bad inherently, its just not a tube characteristic

[machinesworking]

Mostly I just want M1 support.

[Ploki]

well iLok was faster. The only two M1 PA plugins are DS Tantra2 and DS Thorn - but you need to get binaries from dmitry directly.

[_leras]

Yeah, I've never heard any aliasing so it's irrelevant to me. Even if there is some, I'd rather have a synth that sounds this good with a bit of aliasing that something boring and sterile that has none.

what a bullshit argument for lazy coding
That's a fine example of false dichotomy - you should really get into politics.

Where have you heard aliasing in this synth?? Personally I haven't noticed anything detrimental to the sound.

The synth sounds great, aggressive sound with great filters.

Surely the only downside is the amount of cpu it uses?

[_leras]

Another false dichotomy. You can be interested in both at the same time - making music with well coded software.

I can't work out which is your favourite new word. Aliasing or dichotomy.

[LeVzi]

Yeah, I've never heard any aliasing so it's irrelevant to me. Even if there is some, I'd rather have a synth that sounds this good with a bit of aliasing that something boring and sterile that has none.

what a bullshit argument for lazy coding
That's a fine example of false dichotomy - you should really get into politics.

Where have you heard aliasing in this synth?? Personally I haven't noticed anything detrimental to the sound.

The synth sounds great, aggressive sound with great filters.

Surely the only downside is the amount of cpu it uses?

Thats what I really love about it, its really agressive when you crank it up. The more I explore it, the more I like it. On a new system, the CPU hit isn't too bad. Worth it though. Its like DIVA, worth the power sap on the CPU although multi core sorts that out.

I am now regretting all these years being stuck in a genre where expression is limited. Now I can use all these synths I have been missing out on, and really enjoy them.

[Ploki]

Where have you heard aliasing in this synth?? Personally I haven't noticed anything detrimental to the sound.

The synth sounds great, aggressive sound with great filters.

Surely the only downside is the amount of cpu it uses?

I can't work out which is your favourite new word. Aliasing or dichotomy.

I grow weary of this, do something else to entertain me


on a serious note: aliasing got fixed in the first patch, nothing else did, and i doubt it ever will get fixed, but it's a decent synth, probably worth 15$ you can usually get it for, esp if you already bought Thorn

[zerocrossing]

The first demo that I tried did alias quite a bit, but I thought that was due to a bug. I tried a later version and it was fine. If I want absolutely no digital artifacts, I’ll use my actual Knifonium. (JK, that s is ridiculously expensive, but so cool) I’ve got a nice complement of analogs to use. I think Knifonium sounds great.

[kobal]

It doesn’t really matter if it’s perfect or not, Decapitator and SDRR alias (not sure about HQ+ in SDRR) and they’re perfectly awesome. Personally I think Knifonium is awesome to use and sounds great, but not for everything. It can do a certain few kinds of smooth and a few more kinds of gritty that I like. It’s easier to get it to those places than it is Phase Plant/etc. synths. Similarly for Diva/Repro which just tend toward a different direction.

both sound ok aliasing or not, even if i rate them as some of the great saturator in plugins (but decapitator alias too much qucikly in audible range not nicely imo ) and use sdrr a lot with many more,it s not great sound and behavior, radiator as slighty more hardware / nicer behavior compared to decapitator to me, in a hardware box these would be pretty bad to me i would resell.. a hardware culture vulture with good nos tube for example , it s in a completly different league specially when pushing, used lightly it might be subbtle. it can go to 99% of thd and still sound good , plugins are far from this.. they crap way way faster , but even lightly these dont behave has nicely ,these don t make nice transients and dosent give any control in their behavior to scult the transients nicely

[dermage]

It doesn’t really matter if it’s perfect or not, Decapitator and SDRR alias (not sure about HQ+ in SDRR) and they’re perfectly awesome. Personally I think Knifonium is awesome to use and sounds great, but not for everything. It can do a certain few kinds of smooth and a few more kinds of gritty that I like. It’s easier to get it to those places than it is Phase Plant/etc. synths. Similarly for Diva/Repro which just tend toward a different direction.

both sound ok aliasing or not, even if i rate them as some of the great saturator in plugins (but decapitator alias too much qucikly in audible range not nicely imo ) and use sdrr a lot with many more,it s not great sound and behavior, radiator as slighty more hardware / nicer behavior compared to decapitator to me, in a hardware box these would be pretty bad to me i would resell.. a hardware culture vulture with good nos tube for example , it s in a completly different league specially when pushing, used lightly it might be subbtle. it can go to 99% of thd and still sound good , plugins are far from this.. they crap way way faster , but even lightly these dont behave has nicely ,these don t make nice transients and dosent give any control in their behavior to scult the transients nicely

Have you tried Vertigo vsm4? It pretty much holds and doesn't break into digital nonsense all the way.

[BONES]

The world isn’t binary bones.

Hence my use of the word "more", as in more interested in one than the other. I definitely appreciate a well-coded piece of software but it's a secondary consideration when it comes to sofsynths, far less important than what the sound can do for our music and how easy it is to work with.

Also i’m not saying aliasing is bad inherently, its just not a tube characteristic

Who cares? That only matters if you bother with all the marketing bullshit which, I suppose, every Apple user is bound to do. My entire assessment of Knifonium was based on looking at the GUI, listening to the demo audio and trying out the demo version. I doubt I read even a word of any marketing spiel that might have accompanied the release. I always assume that stuff is bullshit or, at best, utterly irrelevant to me. I make an exception with Ujam, as their stuff is usually funny.

[Ploki]

Fair enough @bones

[valderramma]

I like it

[LeVzi]

I like it

You aren't alone.