Why you left Bitwig?

[skarabee]

what in "I don't care" you really don't underdtand?

[Tj Shredder]

what in "I don't care" you really don't unterstand?

Obviously you do care… ; - )

There are answers to the thread title that simply tell more about the person who left than about Bitwig. That is still on topic, though the op might want to learn something about Bitwig. But most posts explain either why someone does not leave or come back… Which does tell something about Bitwig as well…

[machinesworking]

what in "I don't care" you really don't underdtand?

The last resort of an internet troll. Get your ass handed to you making some emotional claim, claim to be emotionless.

[n I I e]

Maybe the question would be why bitwig if you can have the same and better in ableton? I just work only in live suite 11 and really don't have a need to even try bigwig once... it looks almost an ugly clone. But what do I know?... maybe I'm all wrong....

[antic604]

...But what do I know?... maybe I'm all wrong...

Finally some true statements

In all seriousness, Bitwig started as a clone of Live, but by now it is its own thing, with a very different vibe and underlying design priorities. It's definitely not for everybody, or perhaps even not for most people; but if it suits your workflow, setup and music style then there's nothing better out there (even if it's not perfect, obviously).

[EnGee]

I can't say Bitwig is a "clone" of Live even in the first days of its release! Now, it is in many ways different that you can't transfer immediately what you know about Live to Bitwig!

The only negative feeling I have about Bitwig, is sometimes I feel they don't want to forget about Live and do completely their own thing!
Anyway, Bitwig is still my main DAW on Linux but I'm on Windows most of the times using Cubase mainly and sometimes Studio One as still recording and editing on those two DAWs are faster for me (shortcuts and workflow).

[machinesworking]

I'll answer this honestly. DP and Logic both do Clip launching now but they miss out on tempo changes via Clips, which Live and Bitwig can do. IMO Bitwigs UX is better. I've gotten a handle on Live's UX but I still have to grab the subwindow and drag it around all the time, it still has some oddities for sure.

Live 11 is starting to catch up to Bitwig, and even DP, Logic etc. : someone made a SysEx dump in M4L, it's got MPE, Jitter and video hosting, comping including MIDI comping, AU, upcoming Apple Silicon support.

So I'm torn, I've used Live on and off for 15 years, but the last year or so with Bitwig, I really like the UX (barring Windows specific GUI nonsense), the plug in sandboxing, and the overall look of it. That said, there's a very good chance I return to Live.

[antic604]

So I'm torn, I've used Live on and off for 15 years, but the last year or so with Bitwig, I really like the UX (barring Windows specific GUI nonsense), the plug in sandboxing, and the overall look of it. That said, there's a very good chance I return to Live.

Yeah, it's a very even competition right now.

I like Live's MIDI editor much better, but Bitwig's in-clip audio editing tools are superior. But Live's stretch modes are way more fun. But Bitwig has a clip launcher aligned with your arrangement. But Live has more sophisticated clip & scene follow actions. But Bitwig's modulators are so fast, flexible and "non-destructive". But's Live's modulators work accross whole project without any tricks. But Bitwig's in-track routing is miles ahead with all the splitters, selectors, containers, MIDI freely flowing through. But Live's FX are overall better. But Bitwig has the Poly/FX Grid, where you can do - almost - whatever you want. Sure, but M4L devices can be much more complex and there's LOTS of them free & paid. But Bitwig sandboxes its plugins. But Live supports AU plugins. But Bitwig has a dedicated touch screen workflow. But Live has themes. But Bitwig runs on Linux. But Live supports virtually every controller in existence out-of-the-box. And so on...

[spaceman]

In my opinion, DAW popularity should be measured in how many dogs' barks resemble the name of the DAW.
For example, the other day I could hear a dog bark and it sounded like "Ruf-eason", and then one "Ruf-ic"

So I'm sure Reason and Logic are currently the most polular DAWs around

[sQeetz]

What about MeeoowLab?

[pdxindy]

I'll answer this honestly. DP and Logic both do Clip launching now but they miss out on tempo changes via Clips, which Live and Bitwig can do. IMO Bitwigs UX is better. I've gotten a handle on Live's UX but I still have to grab the subwindow and drag it around all the time, it still has some oddities for sure.

Live 11 is starting to catch up to Bitwig, and even DP, Logic etc. : someone made a SysEx dump in M4L, it's got MPE, Jitter and video hosting, comping including MIDI comping, AU, upcoming Apple Silicon support.

So I'm torn, I've used Live on and off for 15 years, but the last year or so with Bitwig, I really like the UX (barring Windows specific GUI nonsense), the plug in sandboxing, and the overall look of it. That said, there's a very good chance I return to Live.

There are a variety of reasons to use Live. No question it is overall more fully developed and it has a bunch of capabilities Bitwig does not..

My needs are relatively simple so in some respect, plenty of DAW's would work for me. The things that cause me to choose/stay with Bitwig are:

Stability - The plugin sandboxing makes Bitwig so stable. Sometimes I realize I have had a project going for a week or more (not quitting Bitwig or shutting down the computer) without the thought of saving even coming into my mind because Bitwig is that reliable. Back when I used Live (and other DAW's), that would have been unimaginable cause it crashed regularly. This is main Bitwig feature #1 for me. Because of the stability, Bitwig would have the cease to exist for me to switch.

Other stuff I value:

Bitwig has the Clip Launcher and Arranger side by side - I find this quite useful as I use both interactively. You can tell a Clip Launcher clip to go to Arrange at a time of ones choosing but I wish there was a way to go back to the Launcher from the Arranger as well.

MPE - Live is still incomplete for MPE as it does not record the midi channel per note. As someone who uses MPE in various ways all the time, this is basically a show stopper for me in terms of considering to go back to Live. IMO, Bitwig is the best overall MPE Daw available today.

Bitwig Modulation - No other DAW comes close to the combination of power and ease of use of Bitwig's modulation system. Live is also powerful, but painfully clumsy by comparison.

Bitwig's Selector Devices - Freakin awesome!

Bitwig's Audio Editing - A clip can contain multiple individual events. I find this approach compatible to my way of working. And it integrates well with...

Bitwig Comping - It is currently lacking Midi Comping. However, I very much like the clip based approach and consider it for my uses, superior to the more common track based comping. One, I can comp in the Clip Launcher. Two, clips are self contained and it is easy to move them around in time and to other tracks. Three, a comped clip can be further edited, individual events can have all the audio editing capabilities like stretching, operators, randomizations etc.

Bitwig's Grid - Nothing else like it and I use it in every project. It is an exceptional MPE synth and more.

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I've become used to using all these tools and the majority of them have no meaningful equivalent in other DAW's. Everyone prioritizes the features that are important to them, so I understand why someone would use Live, or Studio One, Logic, Cubase etc.

[andypryce]

It really depends on needs and type of workflow. I love the concept of Bitwig and Live but there comes a moment where little things matter a lot.

For example just today I recorded something in Live and realized that it was auto quantize on to 8th.
So a lot of notes ended up on each other. I tried to change it to 16 but not possible. So there I went back to safe and sound Cubase which has a lot of this type of little features.
I am so used to these extensive possibilities so in the end Live or Bitwig just stays as an experimental field. In case of Bitwig it is also really bad on mac with a big session. GUI lags and all that. It became impossible to finish something.

[Biscotto]

I like Live's MIDI editor much better, but Bitwig's in-clip audio editing tools are superior. But Live's stretch modes are way more fun. But Bitwig has a clip launcher aligned with your arrangement. But Live has more sophisticated clip & scene follow actions. But Bitwig's modulators are so fast, flexible and "non-destructive". But's Live's modulators work accross whole project without any tricks. But Bitwig's in-track routing is miles ahead with all the splitters, selectors, containers, MIDI freely flowing through. But Live's FX are overall better. But Bitwig has the Poly/FX Grid, where you can do - almost - whatever you want. Sure, but M4L devices can be much more complex and there's LOTS of them free & paid. But Bitwig sandboxes its plugins. But Live supports AU plugins. But Bitwig has a dedicated touch screen workflow. But Live has themes. But Bitwig runs on Linux. But Live supports virtually every controller in existence out-of-the-box. And so on...

But Bitwig has Antic604 as a user and Live also has antic604 as a user...
Definately two extremely useful feature that makes choosing the right DAW a mess

[antic604]

But Bitwig has Antic604 as a user and Live also has antic604 as a user...

But antic604 can also ditch both in a heartbeat if Reason Studio gets their act together...

He's a f**ing mess

[Biscotto]

But Bitwig has Antic604 as a user and Live also has antic604 as a user...

But antic604 can also ditch both in a heartbeat if Reason Studio gets their act together...

He's a f**ing mess