There is really something that blows my mind. The copy protection is a pain in the @ss because you have to renew it every three months, true. But at which moment do you (I’m talking to nobody specifically) conclude that it makes Avenger a bad product ? It seems some people jump to the conclusion that BECAUSE the copy protection is bad, then the synth is bad. Just : WTF... The synth is absolutely pristine to me.
Sure, you’re free to love it or dislike it. But it’s the shortcut that bad copy protection equals bad synth I can guess sometimes that freaks me out. It’s a simple compromise I totally accept (with hope they’ll change the copy protection some day). Yes, I have to renew my licence, I don’t like the idea, but it’s the ”price” you pay to get one of the most powerful synth of this era. Don’t you ever make compromises in your life ?
If you dislike the product, just dislike it, don’t buy it, resell it, you’re free and nobody cares what synth you choose, but this copy protection excuse sounds like a pure child tantrum to me. You want it all, you want it all exactly the way you want. Then prepare your @nus, life is tough.
very disappointment about vps avenger
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- KVRAF
- 2281 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Doritos Land where no goblins are allowed
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- KVRAF
- 2281 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Doritos Land where no goblins are allowed
Avenger copy protection is one of the worst problems you’ve been facing in your entire life ?
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Please don’t read the above post. It’s a stupid one. Simply pass.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105872 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRAF
- 2281 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Doritos Land where no goblins are allowed
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- Banned
- 203 posts since 13 Jul, 2021
Not sure how you came to that conclusion?DJErmac wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:52 pm There is really something that blows my mind. The copy protection is a pain in the @ss because you have to renew it every three months, true. But at which moment do you (I’m talking to nobody specifically) conclude that it makes Avenger a bad product ? It seems some people jump to the conclusion that BECAUSE the copy protection is bad, then the synth is bad. Just : WTF... The synth is absolutely pristine to me.
I haven't seen many attacks against the Synth itself, most of the criticisms seem to stem from the intrusive CP or the policy change that happened after users put their hard earned cash down and were suddenly faced with unwanted agro.
Now that VPS offer a simple way out (Refund Policy) for anyone that feels cheated there's not much more to say about the matter.
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- KVRist
- 491 posts since 14 Aug, 2012
I agree with Norqa.
I have no complaints about Avenger as a synth, and I don't think most people posting in this thread do.
However, I think VPS is an absolute garbage company for taking my money on an explicit promise of a simple keyfile copy protection system, which I specifically relied on. It's especially bad because VPS knew the risks of not using a dongle -- they'd used eLicnser for years -- but affirmatively chose to move away from that get the market bump of proudly proclaiming a keyfile system to lure in people like me, and then screwed its customers over once it didn't work out for them, without offering a refund. I am thoroughly disgusted with VPS and would never purchase from them again. (Note I'm not saying they were legally obligated to offer refunds -- I understand the concept that you buy software for what it is now, not what it develops into. I'm strictly talking about my own assessment of their moral character.)
But all that being said, I don't dispute that Avenger is a fine synth.
I have no complaints about Avenger as a synth, and I don't think most people posting in this thread do.
However, I think VPS is an absolute garbage company for taking my money on an explicit promise of a simple keyfile copy protection system, which I specifically relied on. It's especially bad because VPS knew the risks of not using a dongle -- they'd used eLicnser for years -- but affirmatively chose to move away from that get the market bump of proudly proclaiming a keyfile system to lure in people like me, and then screwed its customers over once it didn't work out for them, without offering a refund. I am thoroughly disgusted with VPS and would never purchase from them again. (Note I'm not saying they were legally obligated to offer refunds -- I understand the concept that you buy software for what it is now, not what it develops into. I'm strictly talking about my own assessment of their moral character.)
But all that being said, I don't dispute that Avenger is a fine synth.
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- KVRist
- 91 posts since 3 Jul, 2010 from the A
It’s my favorite synth on the market, don’t love the CP because it hasn’t always worked well when installing new expansions, but I get by. What I really would love to see is NKS implementation. Nexus 3 has it. Being able to browse expansion presets in Maschine would be unbelievable.
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- KVRAF
- 2281 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Doritos Land where no goblins are allowed
That’s exactly why I mentionned that I was talking about nobody precisely, I was talking about what I have seen around, not specifically in this thread.Norqa wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:06 pmNot sure how you came to that conclusion?DJErmac wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:52 pm There is really something that blows my mind. The copy protection is a pain in the @ss because you have to renew it every three months, true. But at which moment do you (I’m talking to nobody specifically) conclude that it makes Avenger a bad product ? It seems some people jump to the conclusion that BECAUSE the copy protection is bad, then the synth is bad. Just : WTF... The synth is absolutely pristine to me.
I haven't seen many attacks against the Synth itself, most of the criticisms seem to stem from the intrusive CP or the policy change that happened after users put their hard earned cash down and were suddenly faced with unwanted agro.
Now that VPS offer a simple way out (Refund Policy) for anyone that feels cheated there's not much more to say about the matter.
I will post screenshots if I have some free time and find some posts I’m talking about, but some sound like ”don’t buy the synth because it has a bad copy protection”, which is another way of saying it’s not worthy simply because of Codemeter. And just NO.
Everybody is free to choose if they accept this compromise or not.
Please don’t read the above post. It’s a stupid one. Simply pass.
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- Banned
- 203 posts since 13 Jul, 2021
Feel completely free to do so.
Not sure what that will accomplish
I doubt you will have much material though. lol
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
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- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
To be honest the exchange was quite unpleasant which is why to be honest I'm not sure I believe they issued him a refund.
I just have a hard time believing they are going to start handing out refunds to everyone who purchased before the CP change.
Maybe it was because he never installed or authorized it under the old system....
I just have a hard time believing they are going to start handing out refunds to everyone who purchased before the CP change.
Maybe it was because he never installed or authorized it under the old system....
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
It would be easier to believe that than believe they issued him a refund. Just based on the tone of the exchange after my request. 
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
