KVR Audio

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:44 pm

scandipandy wrote:
DHR53 wrote:P.S. have some of you idiots heard of Live?
Does it have CV i/o and sidechain ?

Guess not .......

I believe you need this smiley

drez · Post by **drez** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:17 pm

Meffy wrote:Acolmiztli, headquest, drez, I'm with you there. But y'all better prepare to be derided as "fanboys" by those whose spare time is spent in gleeful, destructive criticism of something they don't intend to buy.

Calling me a fanboy doesn't work terribly well, but that doesn't mean someone won't try it. =^_^=

Meffy

Yeah, I guess I'm a fanboy. Seems like Reasoners get that alot from folks. I think yer right about certain folks tearing it down and they don't intend to use it.

The real issue I see is that most of the people that tear it down are only trying to do it to try and elivate their own "host of choice". I totally don't understand why people do that. It don't add up. How can you one make their own host better by saying another one is inferior? It doesn't change what their's can or can't do. It just ends up sounding like a little kid saying, "oh yeah, well yer ugly!"

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I don't mind the fanboy label for Reason or Live4. I try to promote what those platforms can do, not what all the other platforms CAN'T do. I'm not a master at those other programs, so I'm not going to bash them because I don't know all the ins and outs of it.

But I do know them on Live and Reason, so I'll try and share my knowledge

simonw · Post by **simonw** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:08 pm

the whole point of not allowing 3rd party vsti is portability of songs.

I can save my entire song and email it to a mate who can work on it for me and send it back. this would be so hard to organise when people have different plugins etc.

if people dont like this lack of vsti then why not use another program that does.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:09 pm

drez wrote:I try to promote what those platforms can do, not what all the other platforms CAN'T do. I'm not a master at those other programs, so I'm not going to bash them because I don't know all the ins and outs of it.

But I do know them on Live and Reason, so I'll try and share my knowledge

Zigactly! *deep bow*

Meffy
or maybe Asterix

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:46 pm

I skipped over all the old samey Reason flames.. Can someone summarize whats new besides the combinator?

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:48 pm

floyd wrote:I skipped over all the old samey Reason flames..

Your wisdom is unsurpassed. :-)

Can someone summarize whats new besides the combinator?

Mastering suite. Other than that: mystery, anticipation, and speculation.

Meffy

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:17 pm

I'm not owning Reason and most likely I never will - and while I perfectly understand that VST(i) support is nothing for them (incompatibility, crashes, Steinberg being unwilling to completely release all required support info for VST hosts, etc.) something I can't understand is that you just can't record audio.
That'll probably be why I will never buy it. Especially as a scratch book it'd just be cool to record the occasional audio track. At least for me.
But then, I guess they don't need any audio recording folks - and that's perfectly OK with me too.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:27 pm

*nodnod* You speak truth. Audio input is the only one of the "Frequently Asked-for Stuffs" that I'd particularly like to see, and the Props have said repeatedly that won't be in the offing. No problem, I can do that in other programs and use Reason as a big ol' rack.

Meffy

pitchdrifter · Post by **pitchdrifter** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:24 pm

Its meant to be used with some sort of rewire host - thats why it lets you send up to 64 audio channels to the host you use. Some of reason's processors arent high enough quality to be used for anything but sketching things out (and Propellerheads of course are aware of that), which is why you can pipe the parts you want to process with proper quality processors in your host. You can even rewire into PT, not just SX/Nuendo, Acid Pro etc.etc.

I don't see it as a weakness that it doesn't record audio, because it requires a host anyway for proper EQ, compression, and chorus. And you can record audio well enough in the host, because you gotta pipe reason into one anyway at some point.

I'm not denying it'd be nice to be able to quickly get some temp vocals or guitar noodling into reason, but the effort to implement audio recording might be a little high compared to the value coming out of it, keeping reason's design ideology in mind.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:27 pm

I'm not interested in recording in Reason, but would like to be able to pass audio from another source through its effects. But it won't do it, and I can live with that. Just one of the rules of the game.

My car can't play pinochle either. :-)

Meffy

rbet · Post by **rbet** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:12 am

I wish the interface is atleast as intuitive as FL Studio... the piano roll is as easy to work on as the one in FL studio, for instance...

That and of course, VST support!

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:21 am

OK you twats, stop asking for VST support!

It's not neccesary within Reason and all of you who wants Reason to support vst could just aswell ask apple to make logic for PC...it was never designed to use vst...and that's why it uses rewire...the propellerheads propriatary kickass technology...but I guess that only normal ppl would even think of using reason in rewire or as a sketchpad or even exporting stuff out as wav for sequencing in other hosts...that would mean having to use ones brain!

If you need VST then get a vst host and if you need a solid and stable softstudio then try out reason...Easy!

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:31 am

For many users, Reason + Live = Joy. I'm a Sonar kinda mephit m'self but Live is definitely a good match for Reason too. Either way you get the best of both worlds, and (for a limited time only) great discounts on carpet cleaning!

Meffy

rbet · Post by **rbet** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:40 am

don't get your panties in a twist, genius. Take a chill pill

It is your opinion that VST support is not necessary, but it is precisely the thing stopping many people to ditch other hosts fulltime for Reason...

fractalism wrote:OK you twats, stop asking for VST support!

It's not neccesary within Reason and all of you who wants Reason to support vst could just aswell ask apple to make logic for PC...it was never designed to use vst...and that's why it uses rewire...the propellerheads propriatary kickass technology...but I guess that only normal ppl would even think of using reason in rewire or as a sketchpad or even exporting stuff out as wav for sequencing in other hosts...that would mean having to use ones brain!

If you need VST then get a vst host and if you need a solid and stable softstudio then try out reason...Easy!

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:44 am

rbet wrote:don't get your panties in a twist, genius. Take a chill pill

It is your opinion that VST support is not necessary, but it is precisely the thing stopping many people to ditch other hosts fulltime for Reason...

fractalism wrote:OK you twats, stop asking for VST support!

It's not neccesary within Reason and all of you who wants Reason to support vst could just aswell ask apple to make logic for PC...it was never designed to use vst...and that's why it uses rewire...the propellerheads propriatary kickass technology...but I guess that only normal ppl would even think of using reason in rewire or as a sketchpad or even exporting stuff out as wav for sequencing in other hosts...that would mean having to use ones brain!

If you need VST then get a vst host and if you need a solid and stable softstudio then try out reason...Easy!

well, ok, but those who thinks that Reason needs VST support are still bonkers...IMHO

It's time for REASON 3 beta testing ...