The Most Overrated and Underrated VST/AU (Effects And Instruments)

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KVRist
336 posts since 26 Jun, 2016

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:07 pm

BONES wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:55 pm
On the over-rated side of things, I've finally given up on Pigments. I've had it for a couple of years now and the only uses I've found for it are filler parts that I could just as easily use any freebie for. It has so much going for it but, ultimately, I can't make it sound big enough to use it more prominently. So screw it, I got stuff to do, I don't have time to waste.
I bumped on your Pigments review the other day. Totally agree with it.
The sound is just not there. I see people focusing on GUI, "Features" blabalbal... but if the sound is not there then what is the point?
In the name of "features" and the "MUST HAVE" cleaner oscillators even many great past synths have been ruined.

I just had another demo of Pigments and ... nah thanks. Not for me. It has an ok sound for pad-ish, bladerunnerish "synthwave" but even that can be done better with other synths.

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GRRRRRRR!
12567 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:25 pm

That's the thing, synths like Pigments and Hive are all about the features, not the sound. I don't need one synth to do every possible thing, I just need it to sound really good at what it does.
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KVRAF
9337 posts since 12 May, 2008

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:55 pm

Sindikhate wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:07 pm
BONES wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:55 pm
On the over-rated side of things, I've finally given up on Pigments. I've had it for a couple of years now and the only uses I've found for it are filler parts that I could just as easily use any freebie for. It has so much going for it but, ultimately, I can't make it sound big enough to use it more prominently. So screw it, I got stuff to do, I don't have time to waste.
I bumped on your Pigments review the other day. Totally agree with it.
The sound is just not there. I see people focusing on GUI, "Features" blabalbal... but if the sound is not there then what is the point?
In the name of "features" and the "MUST HAVE" cleaner oscillators even many great past synths have been ruined.

I just had another demo of Pigments and ... nah thanks. Not for me. It has an ok sound for pad-ish, bladerunnerish "synthwave" but even that can be done better with other synths.
I agree the sound is not special. With one exception. The granular is rally good, adn I'm happy to have it just as a granular synth. Nice to have even some basic waveforms in a granular synth though so the other oscs don't hurt.
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KVRian
645 posts since 11 Mar, 2010

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:25 pm

I gotta agree with the recent posts. I don't like Pigments/ Arturia (too plasticky) and HIve/ U-he synhts in general (too clean and pristine), but it's all a very personnal thing, for sure.

Banned
393 posts since 13 Jul, 2021

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:36 pm

You know I felt the same way about Pigments but I bought it anyways. I created over a hundred tracks. Went back to start weeding down what I would put on the album and oddly enough Pigments were in a lot more tracks than I thought it would be in. I paid $75 for Pigments and at that price it's a steal but not at $200 IMO.

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GRRRRRRR!
12567 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:41 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:55 pm
I agree the sound is not special. With one exception. The granular is rally good, adn I'm happy to have it just as a granular synth. Nice to have even some basic waveforms in a granular synth though so the other oscs don't hurt.
Yeah, it was definitely the most usable granular thing I had when I got it but now that I have Concept 2, even the granular engine doesn't cut it for me. Concept 2 probably makes the grade for under-appreciated, it's one of my current faves.
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KVRer
23 posts since 14 Nov, 2018 from Maryland

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:05 am

As far as underrated goes:

ACE - A lot of people already said it, but the cable interface makes it fun to use with lots of interesting hidden tricks. Hive 1 was also underrated, I thought it was fine before the wavetables were added.

Phosphour - really simple implementation of additive synthesis and easy to use. It doesn't do many things, but sometimes simple focused synth is good.

Older VA VSTs in general. Low CPU use and I like the "less perfect" character of them. A lot of good music I grew up on was made with old VA synths and it gives me that nostalgia.

KVRAF
2830 posts since 3 Mar, 2006

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:46 pm

ACE is definitely underrated and is a go-to for me. Using its LFOs for 2-op FM is great too, especially when you use the "spectralize" tap map function so your modulator is a grungy additive synth of sorts

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KVRAF
6750 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:01 pm

ACE almost never gets mentioned. I dont own ACE though but i always liked it. Powerful and great sounding synth. Also, i have to say, the freeware Podolski NEVER gets mentioned. Sad since its such a great synth.
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KVRian
521 posts since 27 Aug, 2020

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:50 am

Halonmusic wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:01 pm
Also, i have to say, the freeware Podolski NEVER gets mentioned. Sad since its such a great synth.
I wish it would get a GUI revamp like Zebralette and Triple Cheese. The latter looks awesome now.

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KVRAF
32943 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:52 am

crickey13 wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:50 am
Halonmusic wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:01 pm
Also, i have to say, the freeware Podolski NEVER gets mentioned. Sad since its such a great synth.
I wish it would get a GUI revamp like Zebralette and Triple Cheese. The latter looks awesome now.
It did get a revamp not that long ago

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KVRian
521 posts since 27 Aug, 2020

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:54 am

aMUSEd wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:52 am
It did get a revamp not that long ago
It looks like an older style u-he GUI, looks similar to the older Zebralette GUI.

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KVRAF
32943 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:58 am

crickey13 wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:54 am
aMUSEd wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:52 am
It did get a revamp not that long ago
It looks like an older style u-he GUI, looks similar to the older Zebralette GUI.
In some respects because it was done before the last 2, which seem to have a new designer, but it did get hires graphics and improvements to the look and browser (including NKS support).

KVRAF
3457 posts since 20 Feb, 2004

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:18 am

Megahertz by Exonic is one of the best-sounding synths to come out in recent years, but gets almost no mention. Maybe because it uses the SynthEdit framework (with custom coded modules, AFAIK), maybe because the GUI is uninspiring, maybe because the price was/is on the higher side. In any case, it sounds absolutely superb.
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KVRAF
20418 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:33 am

They are not available for sale at the moment, but the PPG synths were underrated. Hopefully they come back at some point.

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