HHaynes wrote:[kneels down as in prayer]Please, please, please let all of the Cubase and Nuendo crack users download Tracktion for free and never be heard from again...[/kneels down as in prayer]
Chickenman wrote:While you're down there........
I just think that just because studios/big musicians can pay it is not a reason for the companies to charge rediculous prices for their products. I actually don't use pirated software for any of my production, _but_ I do commonly use pirated software to evalutade, since demo versions rarely let's you really find out if it is suitable. If I go to buy a new BMW I don't want to test drive a freakin volvo 240 from the seventies, and if I need to test software I don't want to test obsolete versions and/or limited versions. So in my case, piracy has actually made me purchase alot of products, and it has also twarted me from buying some, wich I think is good: if the software is bad and you aren't allowed to try it out properly the company seems to want to hide something from me, the customer. That said I do understand why people steal software that is so overpriced. I don't say I think stealing is right, I am just saying that it's obvious why it happens. And in the case of cubase, disfunctional dongles has been a big reason that licensed users are using cracks aswell.mojkarma wrote:To add my 2 cents to this discussion: we can all discuss about the price policy of every company, but I'd like to ask: how many people here in this topic actually use nuendo and why did they choose nuendo over cubase. I mean, everybody should know what does he need a program for. Personally, I use Cubase SL2 and there is hardly anything what I would need from the "big brother" SX2. SL fits perfectly my needs, I can record and edit audio and midi, the expanded mixer is absolutely not a deal breaker for me (you can press the edit button and see all the needed features on a track) and I don't need surround. The price is 25% of Nuendo. What is this discussion about? If you are a real pro and you make (hopefully) good money with your music or studio, I guess you can earn the money for nuendo by recording 3-4 songs, less or more. You will pay the same money for good monitors, soundcard or a high quality external processor. We shouldn't care about how much something costs if we don't need it or if we even don't know what will we get over the cheaper products. I guess there are a lot of people using nuendo because of some image reasons. I can only laugh on them. Often they even don't know the difference between cubase and nuendo but they use hardly more then 50% of the features that are also implemented in cubase.
Cracks have nothing to do with the price. It is a mental problem that people are not aware that they are stealing. I have seen a lot of crackuser that have a legal version of a sequencer but also cracks from waves plugins. We all would probably also agree that the waves plugins are overpriced but there are also a lot cheaper and similar high quality plugs that can substitute the waves. How many of us are able to hear the difference between a waves c1 compressor and the one from sonalksis, voxengo or sonitus?
Well that's a shame. I don't like Steinberg or its products but I was looking forward to seeing how a protected offering would survive in the market.lavoll wrote:sx 3 has been cracked. i saw someone with it on a laptop today and im loking at a download site right now.
dont do drugs. i mean crack. i mean dont crack drugs!
That'd be quite interesting indeed.HanafiH wrote: Well that's a shame. I don't like Steinberg or its products but I was looking forward to seeing how a protected offering would survive in the market.
I'm not lurking much over there, but I was allready suspecting something like that to happen.Also, anybody notice how the undertaking to provide a final upgrade to SX2 has mysteriously disappeared from the cubase forums?
As a legit owner and user of both Cubase SX and Nuendo - I would have to say that the price of each (versions 2 and three) are justified. The price differences between version 2 of SX and Nu were closer, but then again the feature set was closer. I think that the number of features for Nuendo 3 is impressive - and serves well to separate it from Cubase, and set it above the remainder of the field with its post-production capabilities.stag wrote:SX3 has not been cracked yet
there are differences bettwen N3 and SX3 ,at different levels :plugins ,functionallity ,resolution and media handling and conversion.
that alone justifies the price difference to be the triple not the double of SX.
So with your logic, you see why people steal BMW's; because they're overpriced.bewing77 wrote:If I go to buy a new BMW I don't want to test drive a freakin volvo 240 from the seventies, and if I need to test software I don't want to test obsolete versions and/or limited versions. So in my case, piracy has actually made me purchase alot of products, and it has also twarted me from buying some, wich I think is good: if the software is bad and you aren't allowed to try it out properly the company seems to want to hide something from me, the customer. That said I do understand why people steal software that is so overpriced. I don't say I think stealing is right, I am just saying that it's obvious why it happens.
Oh, so you know how much it costs to run a business yourself? Which business do you run, and run successfully? Companies charge to make a profit, AND to stay afloat. Time to market eats a HUGE chunk of your money. Do you think these people work for free until the product is out? You've got to feed your family somehow! Not to mention,, if you have a staff of 10 coders, probably making a minimum of let's just say $60k, that's $600,000 just for their salaries, not including benefits, Social Security, etc etc etc etc. Let's add building rental, utilites, and insurance. Then what about advertisement afterwards? Ad campaigns aren't cheap if you want name recognition for your product. Go check to see how much running one full page color ad in a popular magazine will cost you for one month. Multiple that by multiple months and multiple magazines. Keep in mind, subscription bases for magazines are low, say 25k. Then think about how many are just on newsstands, and not to an actual subscriber base, so you lose that much facetime. Let's not forget manufacturing costs of the products, the supply line to keep it going, trying to figure out how much to stock of that product, and pray you don't get into an overstock situation that you have hundreds of your products just collecting dust, because that's a loss right there. Ok, I'll stop. I just get irritated when people seem to think they know how cheap it is to run a business. It's not.Sure, good monitors also cost alot of money.. and they are quite overpriced aswell. The cost of design, production and distribution of theese items is nowhere near the sale price. It seems to be a trend in music equippment to charge insane prices. Like the new Virus synts. Here in sweden the will be something like 24000 kronor, wich translates to about $3600 at the current rates. How much more power does this fancy machine have then my $1500 pc? Or my $3000 car for that matter?
Even if there is a market for such a product, IMO the last thing they need is yet another product to maintain, they can barely look after their current product line.HHaynes wrote: I've advocated that they find a way to strip some of the video and post features out of Nuendo and create a "Nuendo Pro Audio" version that would split the difference in cost between Cubase and full version of Nuendo.
DevonB wrote:<cough> Oh how nice that they give a better price break going from 2 > 3 than 1 > 3. Wish they'd do that with other <cough> products.
Devon
Great question. Nuendo allows you to do within with audio *FOR* video that nothing can compete with on all playing fields. It has better surround routing options, better architecture (native processing, 32-bit internal audio bus, full plug-in delay compensation) *PLUS* the ability to create music directly with VSTi *PLUS* the ability to create a score and print it out for session players to add live parts *PLUS* there's nothing better on the planet for controlling a ReWire slave (I use Arturia's Storm all the time to add a groove to a cue).munchkin wrote:I'd like to know what makes Nuendo so special. The issue of post-production keeps being raised but what exactly do you get that seperates Nuendo from other post-production capable software?
) it's great for what it does and I have used it on occasion, but it's not quite the music-and-audio-for-video app that Nuendo is.That's a good, legitimate question. I have a feeling that SX will stay near where it is today (save for any Euro to dollar adjustments) in order to keep clear price/product positions.munchkin wrote:I assume that most of us don't use Nuendo but a lot of people here use SX so it must be a little un-nerving for any Steinberg customer to see the price of one of the line jacked up all of a sudden. What could that mean for them in the future?
This isn't diversification, it's increasing a vertical. Cubase SX and Nuendo are on the same code base. And I'm not talking about creating a product with a super set of all other products, but one that has a subset. Cubase has SX, SL, SE, and so on... While there's some lag between releases due to QA after some features are turned off in the lower-tiered products, the feature set remains cohesive and the features in each product is perceived clearly amongst the customer base. I think one "tier" for Cubase and another one for Nuendo is going to be beneficial.cold c wrote:Diversification in the product line and a short product lifecycle may be great for profit and shareholders in the short term, but the more products they have the less development time they have for each one (which can reduce the quality and perceived value of each upgrade.)
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