I agree. He didn't do it justice in his Livestream. He probably shouldn't have used it without knowing more about it. His example(s), as I recall, sounded "off" and unappealing, like he wasn't really familiar with it.ValliSoftware wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:53 amThis is not a database of MIDI loops, I like John but he clearly has no understanding of this product.
Your fave MIDI fx, arp, mapper, mangler, generator, chorder, controller, utility. VST or MFX
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- KVRAF
- 5691 posts since 24 May, 2004 from []1
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- KVRist
- 245 posts since 11 May, 2014
Just a tip on chaining several Instacomposer instances to extend, melody, riff, bass, etc...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiFX_jmlXcg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiFX_jmlXcg
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- KVRAF
- 1779 posts since 11 Jun, 2005 from Phoenix, Arizona
Thanks for putting that together.
Got me to thinking though... What if the note value used in the midi clip could trigger different presets or different buttons in the interface. I could see that being used quite a bit.
Got me to thinking though... What if the note value used in the midi clip could trigger different presets or different buttons in the interface. I could see that being used quite a bit.
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- KVRAF
- 5691 posts since 24 May, 2004 from []1
Thanks for demo. Will be useful for creating song sections.
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- KVRist
- 245 posts since 11 May, 2014
There's no law that says to only use Instacomposer.
So I further modify the generated Instacomposer MIDI with MIDIFX's in Logic Pro X.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5fh5zyfEWs
So I further modify the generated Instacomposer MIDI with MIDIFX's in Logic Pro X.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5fh5zyfEWs
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- KVRist
- 245 posts since 11 May, 2014
At some point you have to create a song, how would you do that with a "endlessly changing patterns".
The other problem with that is, you lose a pattern you heard because it keeps changing.
Right now, Instacomposer let's you hear a pattern. you like it, work on it, if not, generate a new pattern on all tracks or a individual track.
To me, that is what you need and what Instacomposer has.
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OneOfManyPauls OneOfManyPauls https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=382596
- KVRian
- 1103 posts since 17 Jul, 2016 from Wales, UK
just record the midi?ValliSoftware wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:47 pmAt some point you have to create a song, how would you do that with a "endlessly changing patterns".
The other problem with that is, you lose a pattern you heard because it keeps changing.
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- KVRist
- 245 posts since 11 May, 2014
I'm curious, why would you need to have the ability to have the app change presets on what it generates?
Wouldn't that just create a endless random pattern?
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- KVRist
- 245 posts since 11 May, 2014
I can't tell if you're asking or suggesting why he mention that.OneOfManyPauls wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:51 pmjust record the midi?ValliSoftware wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:47 pmAt some point you have to create a song, how would you do that with a "endlessly changing patterns".
The other problem with that is, you lose a pattern you heard because it keeps changing.
Yes, you can always MIDI record a endless changing pattern, but again, at some point in time, you have to start working on the song.
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OneOfManyPauls OneOfManyPauls https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=382596
- KVRian
- 1103 posts since 17 Jul, 2016 from Wales, UK
It was an answer to your "how would..." question, but I framed it as a question as it seemed obvious to me, so I was wondering if I was missing something.ValliSoftware wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:59 pmI can't tell if you're asking or suggesting why he mention that.OneOfManyPauls wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:51 pmjust record the midi?ValliSoftware wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:47 pmAt some point you have to create a song, how would you do that with a "endlessly changing patterns".
The other problem with that is, you lose a pattern you heard because it keeps changing.
Yes, you can always MIDI record a endless changing pattern, but again, at some point in time, you have to start working on the song.
Honestly thought it was standard practice to always be recording the output of continuously random midi generators in case they spit out something desirable to keep - giving a dependable yet randomly generated basis for a song.
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- KVRist
- 245 posts since 11 May, 2014
Because Instacomposer is generating up to 5 tracks, what you loose in this endless random pattern is the ability to randomize a single track but keep the other tracks.OneOfManyPauls wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:03 pmIt was an answer to your "how would..." question, but I framed it as a question as it seemed obvious to me, so I was wondering if I was missing something.ValliSoftware wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:59 pmI can't tell if you're asking or suggesting why he mention that.OneOfManyPauls wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:51 pmjust record the midi?ValliSoftware wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:47 pmAt some point you have to create a song, how would you do that with a "endlessly changing patterns".
The other problem with that is, you lose a pattern you heard because it keeps changing.
Yes, you can always MIDI record a endless changing pattern, but again, at some point in time, you have to start working on the song.
Honestly thought it was standard practice to always be recording the output of continuously random midi generators in case they spit out something desirable to keep - giving a dependable yet randomly generated basis for a song.
Again, at some point in time you have to start working on the song.
Instacomposer already gives you the ability to generate all tracks or generate a single track while keep others you like. This ability gives you the songwriter, more control on the final creation of your song.
Again, remember that you're working with up to 5 individual tracks. Would you generate 1 tracks for 5 repeats, then genrate a 2nd track on repeats but keep the first track or revisit the all the previous first track repeats to apply to the 2nd track that's going to generate random patterns, but remember that you have 3 other tracks waiting too.
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OneOfManyPauls OneOfManyPauls https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=382596
- KVRian
- 1103 posts since 17 Jul, 2016 from Wales, UK
I still don't see the issue - record the midi output for all five tracks, anything sounding good is there for use in the song. could turn off the random for any of the tracks and use the DAW recorded midi instead alongside the instacomposer generated tracks.
- KVRian
- 1104 posts since 8 Oct, 2019
I also don't see the problem with just recording the randomized parts.ValliSoftware wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:47 pm
At some point you have to create a song, how would you do that with a "endlessly changing patterns".
The other problem with that is, you lose a pattern you heard because it keeps changing.
Right now, Instacomposer let's you hear a pattern. you like it, work on it, if not, generate a new pattern on all tracks or a individual track.
To me, that is what you need and what Instacomposer has.
But I also disagree with the premise that "at some point you have to create a song". I don't always make music with the intention of creating a song, especially not (necessarily) with intro, verse, chorus, etc. where I have to "decide" on one melody or pattern. Sometimes I just want to make music,... perform,... create sounds,... sometimes it's meditative. I might still hit record once I like what is happening, but producing a song doesn't always have to be the point.
So what I would like to use it for is ambient/experimental, generative music. It's less about having a constantly changing melody, but ever changing and evolving elements, usually on the slower side with longer notes. Think Brian Eno for example. There are plenty of midi generators that cater to this approach, like Patter for example or some of the stuff by sonic lab and the plentiful random modulation options in HY-Plugins. Bitwig can be really nice with its modular approach as well (and I could modulate or automate the Instacomposer settings as well).
So with all the randomization options and AI functionality already present, just a little addition would, in my opinion, make Instacomposer not only useful for composition and song writing, but for generative music as well.
In my mind, this feature would be on a per track basis. You can already randomize tracks independent from each other. So that would be a given I think.ValliSoftware wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:20 pm Because Instacomposer is generating up to 5 tracks, what you loose in this endless random pattern is the ability to randomize a single track but keep the other tracks.
- KVRAF
- 6305 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin
+1
Music isn't just "songs".
I too find InstaComposer too static and less musical or alive than it could be.
Yes I can put other tools behind it, but I always wonder why many sequencer-like tools don't include the option to add variations over time, to make things more interesting/human/alive.
Phrasebox added nice options in this realm and one can always disable them if unwanted. Same with the Pigments sequencer and some others.
If InstaComposer would be able to vary it's 5 tracks in a musical way while still keeping a certain vibe and everything staying related to everything else, I'd be way more impressed.
Cheers,
Tom
Music isn't just "songs".
I too find InstaComposer too static and less musical or alive than it could be.
Yes I can put other tools behind it, but I always wonder why many sequencer-like tools don't include the option to add variations over time, to make things more interesting/human/alive.
Phrasebox added nice options in this realm and one can always disable them if unwanted. Same with the Pigments sequencer and some others.
If InstaComposer would be able to vary it's 5 tracks in a musical way while still keeping a certain vibe and everything staying related to everything else, I'd be way more impressed.
Cheers,
Tom
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