What is this scale?

Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
hinson
KVRist
89 posts since 9 Nov, 2019

Post Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:37 am

A few months ago I was looking for some exotic scale and found some used in Jewish music and I wrote down this set of sounds as Megan Avot or Abot Scale but now I see the sounds in those scales do not fit and I had to make a mistake and it had to be a different scale. Or maybe I invented a new one by accident :)
It's good scale to create dark melodies for EDM, Trap etc.
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shawshawraw
KVRist
235 posts since 4 Aug, 2020 from Montreal, Canada

Post Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:03 am

Is C your tonic/home/base note?

Some sound examples would be appreciated as they'll show tendencies of treatment and probably rule out the notes that'd only work as embellishment.

hinson
KVRist

Topic Starter

89 posts since 9 Nov, 2019

Post Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:29 am

Yes, the tonic starts with C. Below is a short melody and a chord progression built on these sounds.
I looked at the Jewish scales or strange scales used in folk music.
I want to make a 'devilish' Hard Trance and this melody and this scale would be good for this type of music but I would like to know what kind of scale it is, if there is one.

https://v3.fastupload.co/file/7777

shawshawraw
KVRist
235 posts since 4 Aug, 2020 from Montreal, Canada

Post Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:00 am

hinson wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:29 am
Yes, the tonic starts with C. Below is a short melody and a chord progression built on these sounds.
I looked at the Jewish scales or strange scales used in folk music.
I want to make a 'devilish' Hard Trance and this melody and this scale would be good for this type of music but I would like to know what kind of scale it is, if there is one.

https://v3.fastupload.co/file/7777
Thanks! It surely sounds devilish!! Sounds like the lead is detuned pitch up just a tiiiiny little bit. Really cool!!!

I strongly think the tonic centre is A, and it's an eccentric progression on A minor:

| AmMaj7 | Bb | Bb7 (#5) | Am |

Not very sure about the 3rd harmony, but it really gives a vibe of the b5 substitution of the dominant 7 (E7).

And the melody on the 2nd harmony has a momentary F# that is dissonant.

There's an inner voice having my attention - bars 5-8: G# - F - F# - A

Anyways! I don't want to go too far and be confusing, but I don't think it's a single scale but two harmonies interplaying - of course, based on this particular example you uploaded :p

Poogle
KVRer
14 posts since 23 Oct, 2005 from Bergen, Norway.

Post Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:48 am

It's almost the same as Messiaen's Mode III, a symmetric 9-tone scale, if you add the note G in between F# and G#.

The scale would then be : C, D, D#, E, F#,G, G#, A#, B, (C).

hinson
KVRist

Topic Starter

89 posts since 9 Nov, 2019

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:59 pm

Thanks guys, it must be this scale Megan Abot, but apparently a few months ago I made a mistake and I wrote down the notes wrongly from this scale.
I moved some sounds so that they fit to this scale and there is no big difference and the most important thing is that the melody still sounds ''devilish'' :hihi:

https://musmath.com/scale/jewish-magen-abot/c/piano

jancivil
KVRAF
23337 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:16 am

good for you, you can haz your own scale. doesn't matter what name someone has given it somewhere along the line. I was doing this long before I knew anything of harmony or that. I remember overusing eg., C Db Eb Fb Gb Ab A Bb.

For me the whole tone aspect in the middle of the set is a very different feel than that 9-note with the chromatics in the middle.

mavriksounds
KVRer
6 posts since 25 Oct, 2021

Post Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:28 am

Looks like a whole tone scale with a few embellishment notes (i.e. Eb and B)... otherwise I can put a name to that exact combination of notes.

trewq
KVRist
421 posts since 24 Nov, 2008

Post Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:37 am

Also there is a couple of Lydian Minor, and a
Neopolitan Minor, 7 tone scales in there.

Hope that helps :)

jancivil
KVRAF
23337 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:45 am

mavriksounds wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:28 am
Looks like a whole tone scale with a few embellishment notes (i.e. Eb and B)... otherwise I can put a name to that exact combination of notes.
the thing has many more aspects...

Names are inessential

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