The JD-990 added many new features that aren't in the JD-800.
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- KVRian
- 710 posts since 9 Apr, 2005 from Japan
Stormchild
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- KVRAF
- 8494 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
Maybe brian from Roland can tell more? I dont think he will, i mean we got a half baked subscription model, we waited so long for a jd990 and now they release this? Cant you just release a jd990 with sysex import and all the expansions? 150 bucks isnt cheap either. Im really pissed and i hate it when companies just dont give a ÷÷÷× but we customers are responsible cause it seems we still feed this behaviour with the money and are just THANKFUL they give us a part of their products and get feeded and praise them.... yeah sounds harsh? Nah im too long in a business where you see the behaviours of companies and it never changes until u dictate with your money, ok im tired good night. Thx for making the long wait not worth it should have seen it after the d50, the xstuff and so on. Roland cloud. Lol
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- KVRist
- 345 posts since 4 Jun, 2020 from USA
Roland will release the software versions of PCM cards, each for $19.99.
Roland will eventually release the software version of the 990 for $149, with the vintage synth add-on for $69.
Roland will eventually release the software version of the 990 for $149, with the vintage synth add-on for $69.
- KVRian
- 679 posts since 29 Nov, 2002 from Finland
Looks like the JD-800 plugin is still missing a big part of the original, which is the whole drum/percussion section (just listen to I Can't Dance by Genesis for a good demo of the preset sounds). The plugin seems to skip the whole multi mode, which is OK and not really needed in a plugin environment, but I'd still like to have the drums... I can't be the only one who fondly remembers / used the percussion on the hardware JD-800? I bet someone has sampled the preset drums, but the whole point was that each key was editable and used the same waveforms as the non-percussion sounds, and I'd really love to have that again.
And about the sound: Quickly compared a few patches (namely the legendary Classic Sweeper + a few others) between the JD-800 plugin and the Zenology model, and they sound 100% the same to me. Even the strange slightly changed patch names are still there in the JD-800 plugin (Hearts of Space -> Slow Bell Pad, etc).
And about the sound: Quickly compared a few patches (namely the legendary Classic Sweeper + a few others) between the JD-800 plugin and the Zenology model, and they sound 100% the same to me. Even the strange slightly changed patch names are still there in the JD-800 plugin (Hearts of Space -> Slow Bell Pad, etc).
- KVRist
- 110 posts since 3 Aug, 2021 from Germany
- KVRian
- 710 posts since 9 Apr, 2005 from Japan
I understand why Crystal Rhodes became Crystal EPs (they no longer own the Rhodes name), but yeah, some of the other name changes are a bit puzzling. There was a Hearts of Space album on (the great ambient label) Fax, but it's not like they trademarked the name (and sadly both of the composers have left this world). I'm sure it was a JD-800 reference; you can hear the classic Massive Pad preset on this track:Captain wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:05 am And about the sound: Quickly compared a few patches (namely the legendary Classic Sweeper + a few others) between the JD-800 plugin and the Zenology model, and they sound 100% the same to me. Even the strange slightly changed patch names are still there in the JD-800 plugin (Hearts of Space -> Slow Bell Pad, etc).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPlApsSvUec
Stormchild
- KVRian
- 710 posts since 9 Apr, 2005 from Japan
Some more JD-800 love.
The "Crystal Rhodes" preset (now Crystal EPs) was clearly used (in lo-fi sampled form) on this classic Mario 64 track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRfHbyCQDCo
And here's Massive Pad again (the whole track is built around it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NefWBMYz8sI
The "Crystal Rhodes" preset (now Crystal EPs) was clearly used (in lo-fi sampled form) on this classic Mario 64 track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRfHbyCQDCo
And here's Massive Pad again (the whole track is built around it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NefWBMYz8sI
Stormchild
- KVRian
- 679 posts since 29 Nov, 2002 from Finland
Yep, as far as I can tell, this is still the case with the JD-800 plugin, just like in Zenology. Looks like they sound identical, and both different from the hardware.
I think I have noticed something similar with the patch, but sadly I don't have a hardware JD-800 with me (any more), so can't say if this was how the hw behaved too... but will do some further tests with the software!vulpes777 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:28 pm EDIT: same about 5-1 Slow Bell Pad, which most of the time just isn't...slow at all.
The more I play around with it the more I'm convinced there's something weird about the TVA EG timing: at least for me, the attack time does not seem to work reliably at maximum value.
- KVRian
- 679 posts since 29 Nov, 2002 from Finland
Haha yeah, I also released an ambient track called Hearts of Space on vinyl years ago, and the name was a direct reference to the JD-800 patch. I managed to borrow a JD-800 for a while in the early 90's (I later bought my own), and I was so blown away by the sounds that I just quickly threw together some of the more ambient-sounding patches, and called the mess "Hearts of Space".Arashi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:20 am There was a Hearts of Space album on (the great ambient label) Fax, but it's not like they trademarked the name (and sadly both of the composers have left this world). I'm sure it was a JD-800 reference; you can hear the classic Massive Pad preset on this track:
- KVRist
- 198 posts since 29 Mar, 2021
Re: Hearts of Space, IIRC there was a record label with the same name and it's technically still active, although I don't think they have published anything in recent times. I would assume the name is trademarked, but even if it isn't, I think it all boils down to "better safe than sorry" .
Same about what happened to Chinksomething Bass, which i HIGHLY doubt was originally named that way with racist intents.
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Marco
Same about what happened to Chinksomething Bass, which i HIGHLY doubt was originally named that way with racist intents.
Regards,
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Marco
- KVRist
- 377 posts since 16 Sep, 2005
Jd990 vst will be a separate purchase. Roland styleArashi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:30 pmThe JD-990 added many new features that aren't in the JD-800.
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- KVRian
- 821 posts since 14 May, 2014
This for me is honestly everything I've wanted from Roland Cloud. While I'll definitely perk up if I see the V-Synth on the horizon and having Variphrase in the box, the JD800 was the big thing I've wanted for years. In tandem with the JV1080 and all the cards now being available (well, except for Dynamic Drums but that's neither here nor there), I'm honestly satisfied and aren't really all that interested in what else might be released.
- KVRist
- 377 posts since 16 Sep, 2005
Roland JD800 VS JD990 Comparison chart by Polynominal
- JD990 lacks hold pedal and expression pedals.
- Jd990 lacks real-time controls
- JD800 features 4mb Vs 6mb Jd990
- JD800 is a limited performance structure
- JD800 features less analog outs
- JD800 lacks panning position
- JD800 lacks matrix modulation
- JD800 lacks polyphonic portamento
- JD800 lacks Sr-Jv slot expansion
- JD800 misses 3 LFO shapes
- JD800 lacks waveform sync
- JD800 lacks frequency cross modulation FXM
- JD800 lacks ringmodulator
- JD800 lacks algorithmic structures
- JD800 cannot read more than 1mb PCM
- JD800 delay is limited to 600ms (vs 3000)
- JD800 delay cannot be synched to Midi
- JD990 lacks hold pedal and expression pedals.
- Jd990 lacks real-time controls
- JD800 features 4mb Vs 6mb Jd990
- JD800 is a limited performance structure
- JD800 features less analog outs
- JD800 lacks panning position
- JD800 lacks matrix modulation
- JD800 lacks polyphonic portamento
- JD800 lacks Sr-Jv slot expansion
- JD800 misses 3 LFO shapes
- JD800 lacks waveform sync
- JD800 lacks frequency cross modulation FXM
- JD800 lacks ringmodulator
- JD800 lacks algorithmic structures
- JD800 cannot read more than 1mb PCM
- JD800 delay is limited to 600ms (vs 3000)
- JD800 delay cannot be synched to Midi
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- KVRAF
- 12941 posts since 30 Apr, 2019
I’m looking forward to an 8000/8080, A JX10 and maybe something more retro like a Jupiter 4, but there’s loads of cool old drum machines they could emulate like TR-68/78 and the old Rhythm Ace units.
I’m still somewhat mystified by the lack of reverbs in Zenology and its FX.
I’m still somewhat mystified by the lack of reverbs in Zenology and its FX.
- KVRist
- 198 posts since 29 Mar, 2021
I'm sure after the JD800 release, a bunch of people have been doing AB comparisons between the "new" standalone plugin and what we got before as a Zenology expansion - Which should normally raise the question: "How can those lush, evolving pads even sound good in Zenology without a reverb?"WatchTheGuitar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:04 pm I’m still somewhat mystified by the lack of reverbs in Zenology and its FX.
And the answer is...the patches in the JD800 expansion can indeed include a reverb as part of the second MFX (bottom right in the edit window).
Not the patches from the factory library, though, or any of the other expansions from what I can tell; at best they can include the JD Multi effects rack...but it turns out that's an entirely different set of effects...
tl;dr someone took the time to port ten fairly usable reverb types to Zenology and it pretty much died there with the JD800 expansion.
Can I say I'm genuinely baffled at some of Roland's decisions?
Regards,
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Marco
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