SX 3 vs. Logic 7

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Sincerely i used logic on PC and i didn´t like the way it works.
it seems SX has a lot more logic and versatility.

to you the logical move on theory is to get SX3 either on PC or MAC.
it seems fair to remember you that SX run better on Windows than OSX.

my current setup is a P4 3,6 ghz ,2mb RAM with 3 UAD-1 cards, i think i spent about the same here i would spent on a dual G5 .
this PC sums a total of 6.6Ghz of raw power...i think that´s enough...to me at least.

[bugs]

You can use those magnificent 23" widescreen displays that Apple makes with WinPCs now. The displays were the only reason to my mind to use a Mac, aside from familiarity with Logic. I am using a configuration of Cubase as priciple sequencer/host with Reason and FL Studio in ReWire mode and couldn't be happier. (It is very stable, I might add.) Can't do that with Mac setup. As a pattern sequencer/drum machine, FL far outstrips any Mac app available. For the price of a top of the line Mac you can get a custom built, music/audio dedicated WinPc that will blow an Mac out of the water and still have money left over for FL Studio and a highend sample library or two.

Nostalgia might be the only real reason to go with a Mac. The situation for Mac user is only going to get worse. It's an economy of scale issue, MacApple just won't be able compete over the long haul. First it was price point, then the decline in apps available, now there are quality issues. Apple is really focusing more on iPod/iMusic development (consumer products) than on production tools. MacApple's only chance is for the dollar to sink so low (and remain there for 20 years or so) that it can tap European and Far East markets for share. Or, they could buy Avid/Digidesigns, Pinnacle/Steinberg, MOTU, RME, Spectrasonics and Native Instruments and make them Mac-only too--otherwise the slow, inevitable and relentless relative decline will continue. Who is going to buy an inferior product with fewer at higher cost other than family members and addicts?

This is not Mac bashing, just basic economics. I'd love to see MacApple survive, primarily for sake of industrial design aesthetics, but I don't see it happening in the long run.

I'd stick with the WinPC/Cubase option.

[realmacgeek]

now where is some pc-mac-bashing in this thread????


No, seriously all good points made here, at least on the first page ...i think that you will be prolly be better off with a decent pc upgrade and some additional plugins for your pc from a price point of view.
i have a g5 dp and logic6 myself and i love my setup (who doesnt ). a switch to a G5 dp and L7 is always worth price IMHO, but as your current setup isnt that bad i think a mac switch will be more expensive than decent pc software and hardware upgrade.

@bugs: sorry i dont see mac sales decline any time soon, i think the contrary will happen as the all time increasing ipod sales will make the mac platform even more attractive to other people. and that apple is only concentrating on consumer stuff is just ...<put you favorite word here>

[snooky]

Logic rocks an SX blows...simple as that...

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[HHaynes]

I'm a PC/Cubase and Nuendo user - and collaborate with another film composer who uses Mac/Logic - we seem to get along just fine... but he *is* jealous of all of the post features I've got - and the processing power - and the money I had left over after setting up my systems...

[popsych]

Logic rocks an SX blows...simple as that...

wrong. they are both good in different respects. preset handling and plug in compatibility is stellar on sx. FULL pdc is awesome..logic's strength lies in it's inbuilt fx and instr, automation, and ultra efficient audio engine. both are very good to work with

Come on ttoz i think you've beem outside the logic world too long. Logic's preset system is far superior that SX in all but one respect. They cannot be immediately edited from the track view inspector. E.G i've setup logic so that the key + goes one patch up and - one down (preset whores take note :p).
Indeed fx and automation rock in logic, i find the SX way at least not as efficient. From my experience Logic is around 10-20% more efficient an engine than SX. I love the way virtual instrument and midi are contained in a single track but by far the most important thing in logic for me is ergonomics. SX's toolbox is not as accessible and having to switch about 3 tools when matrix editing instead of using one really makes a difference.
Other reason for loving logic is the way things are object based -
<scenario> You put an VI in a track adjust effects in the inserts but then want to try if another VI works better. In logic you merely change the VI and the effects are still there. The same does not hold true in sx </scenario> I could go on for hours how logic is faster if mastered but i won't

HHaynes i realise you have lovely post-pro feetures better than logic even in cubase let alone nuendo but i don't buy a sequncer based on its post pro features. If i really relied on that i'd either buy Pro-Tools or Nuendo and be done, no ?

I use Cubase SX2 so that you know but if i didn't consider it as giving in to blackmail i would be the proud owner of a dual g5 2.5 ghz machine running logic 7.1 beating the pants out of my current solution .

[VicDiesel]

E.G i've setup logic so that the key + goes one patch up and - one down

Did that too. Works in all instruments/effects except for almost anything released in the last year or so: they all have their own preset browsers.

V.

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[mojkarma]

If I do progarm drums in logic, how do I route the different notes to different virtual instruments?

I'd like also to hear, how do I compensate for latency on logic's bus and aux channels.

BTW, my questions are serious.

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[Sascha Franck]

See, ttoz, different people, different mindsets.
I DEFENITELY prefer the Logic way of implementing multiple outs (you need to select the instrument in question as a multiout instrument, set up an aux object and define the input) over SX's bloated way of instant mixer mess ups! Yes, you can hide channels you don't use, but ONCE you need them back, you gotta unhide EVERYTHING and scroll around like mad, just to find the channel you want to deal with, make it unhideable and hide the rest again - what an enormous amount of clueless bullshit (let alone the fact that the SX mixer isn't configurable at all).

[mojkarma]

Dear Sascha,

you probably missunderstod my question:

If you program drums: let's make it simple: kick, snare and closed hihat.

How do I in logic route the kick to my outboard hardware module, the snare to battery and the hihat to a sample in a virtual sampler (exs or anything else)?

I'd also like to hear the answer to my second question because it is important to me and I guess anybody else who works or considers logic as his new sequencer.

[mojkarma]

over SX's bloated way of instant mixer mess ups! Yes, you can hide channels you don't use, but ONCE you need them back, you gotta unhide EVERYTHING and scroll around like mad, just to find the channel you want to deal with, make it unhideable and hide the rest again - what an enormous amount of clueless bullshit (let alone the fact that the SX mixer isn't configurable at all).

Pretty harsh words about a program you obviously do not know enough.

SX has three (3) independent mixer views. You can open 3 mixers and set them to show different contents. One can show only midi chanels, the other audio chanels and the third vst chanels. Where is your problem? If you have for example battery as your drum module, don't activate 16 channels if you don't need so much. What is so configurable in logics mixer and what do you have to do in logic to create a aux channel. In cubase I just press my shortcut keycombination to create an additional channel and it appears in the trackview and in the mixer view.

[Sascha Franck]

How do I in logic route the kick to my outboard hardware module, the snare to battery and the hihat to a sample in a virtual sampler (exs or anything else)?

You use a mapped instrument and cable the individual notes to the outputs of your desire.
Then you play your sequence back using this very instrument.

Doesn't work in realtime in any Logic versions prior to L7. Would require a workaround, described in some FAQ at http://logicfaq.omega-art.com/