d16 - did they abandon specific plugins -Phoscyon

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Hey guys i really like the sound of this plugin but the gui size is a pain and i see their forums are not very active too. I saw they released a lot of plugins but it seems they dont update them much?

Phoscyon is still not updated and no one can tell me the gui is workable with its tiny knobs :/
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I guess they are unable to develop a brand new product that will actually attract the attention of the masses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Yes, it seems D16 has abandoned development and maintenance of their plugins. Unless there is something wrong with my newsletter subscription, I never receive or see any info about updating plugins.

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Their Facebook is quite active and recent. And they updated the entire silverline earlier this year.

Probably a bad idea to start baseless rumours.
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Crap sorry guys i will edit it was meant for phoscyon
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Yes, they "abandoned" it...

Unthinkable that they don't do a fancy new GUI for their 16 year old plugins, I know. Because it happens all the time with other developers.

We should make a subforum here, for the poor "abandoned" users, then they can cry all day long under their equals there. I propose Caine123 as the moderator.

Phoscyon's GUI is perfectly fine, BTW. Unless you use a 27" 4k screen, on which everything is tiny.

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They seem to be active on Twitter as well. Ping them there if you have any concerns before buying.

http://twitter.com/d16group
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chk071 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:42 am We should make a subforum here, for the poor "abandoned" users, then they can cry all day long under their equals there. I propose Caine123 as the moderator.
Why do some people always feel the need to insult others without a reason? This is a public forum, guys. Is it so hard to respect the view of someone else if you don't agree with him? This offensive, condescending attitude here is really beyond me

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Well no hard feelings here cause some need this attention and care for their home to stay clean i guess? :) oh and sorry i respect the time invested from mods but i dont want my time consumed like this to be a mod ;)

Didnt know it is 16 years old already but an old plugin doesnt need to be bad or outdated overall does it? I like the sound and with not much competition still i could see phoscyon updated with new interest for customers.

Dont need always shiny new releases if an old plugin could get a refresh.
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enCiphered wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:27 am
chk071 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:42 am We should make a subforum here, for the poor "abandoned" users, then they can cry all day long under their equals there. I propose Caine123 as the moderator.
Why do some people always feel the need to insult others without a reason? This is a public forum, guys. Is it so hard to respect the view of someone else if you don't agree with him? This offensive, condescending attitude here is really beyond me
Normally, I'd say you're right. If I hadn't read a dozen of similar threads by the same person already.

I just wonder why people don't use their head a bit more often about these things. Phoscyon is 16 years old. It's a legacy plugin which hasn't been updated since 2015, and it probably doesn't sell more than a handful of licenses in a year. How likely is it that developers will spend a lot of time and effort to make the GUI fit nowadays' demands, or even develop a VST3 version of it, or update it for Apple M1? Very unlikely, if you think about it.

Well... maybe D16 surprises us all, spends all their time and effort to develop a GUI, a VST3 version, and makes it M1 native. I estimate that that will take about a year for their small staff. I'm not a developer, but, considering how long it took NI to make Massive X even Rosetta2 compatible... Mind you, a year for a 16 year old plugin, which only sells a hand ful of licenses a year. Does that sound worthwhile to you?

But, yeah, sorry for the harsh words in my former posts. It's just that I... would hope that people would give things a bit more though, and don't always see everything from their couch potatoe consumer's eyes. I guess the most of us work, and we all know that our day jobs take a lot of time, work and effort to get things done. Same with this.

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chk071 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:33 am Well... maybe D16 surprises us all, spends all their time and effort to develop a GUI, a VST3 version, and makes it M1 native. I estimate that that will take about a year for their small staff. I'm not a developer, but, considering how long it took NI to make Massive X even Rosetta2 compatible... Mind you, a year for a 16 year old plugin, which only sells a hand ful of licenses a year. Does that sound worthwhile to you?
Waves do that, and get a lot of heat that they dare to charge a few $$$ for the "WUP". I´m perfectly sure that absolutely no other developers take note of the WUP wars when considering whether or not to invest time in a compatibility upgrade which they would have to charge for because they, like most people, want to ... you know... pay rent and buy food and stuff.

Not referring to the OP here, but it seems that the general consensus these days is that $29 for a plugin buys infinite/lifetime development capacity. I should try that on my staff some day: "Salary? You had that last year".

Seriously though: They surely haven´t only considered the number of licenses being sold these days, but also whether or not there would be a spike in sales (new + paid upgrades) after a cool upgrade with more effects, "devil fish"-style mods, and a fancy big GUI. I´d wager to guess they don´t expect a worthwhile spike.

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I believe last year they've updated several of their older "Silver Line" FX plugins to include scaling and when I asked last week - over at Twitter - if they're gonna do the same for Repeater (developed with Slate Digital) they said yes, although no specific date was given:

https://twitter.com/antic604/status/145 ... 81763?s=20

So I'm hopeful they'll get to Phoscyon or Lush-101, too.

Phoscyon might be a legacy plugin, but it's *THE* 303 emulation, IMO better than ABL3 and it's rarely on sale, so I guess it sells well still.
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chk071 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:42 am Yes, they "abandoned" it...

Unthinkable that they don't do a fancy new GUI for their 16 year old plugins, I know. Because it happens all the time with other developers.

We should make a subforum here, for the poor "abandoned" users, then they can cry all day long under their equals there. I propose Caine123 as the moderator.

Phoscyon's GUI is perfectly fine, BTW. Unless you use a 27" 4k screen, on which everything is tiny.
If they updated their plugins, including GUI, I'd actually buy from them. I'm assuming they're just kinda dead so no money from me. If they update, they may see my money.

Many people use higher resolution monitors. Just because you don't, doesn't mean it's not an issue. If a dev wants to be taken seriously and make more money, they should implement scaling options.
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Caine123 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:54 amPhoscyon is still not updated and no one can tell me the gui is workable with its tiny knobs :/
I'm pretty sure FL can scale DPI-unaware plugins, like Ableton, Bitwig, Cubase or Studio One can:

(here I'm going from 100 -> 125%, plugin has to be re-loaded hence it disappears for a moment)

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Their plugins work as intended :shrug:
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