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[Trancer]

Thanks for your feedback.

An excellent thing indeed.

Do you have bugs or reliability concerns with Cubase Artist?

[kritikon]

Bugs, no. 10.5 seems to be a very stable Cubase by most accounts - I hear different about 11 though. All I can say is that most Cubase versions I've personally used have been very very stable, and maybe I'm just lucky with the systems I ran it on?

Reliability concerns - no. I also made a conscious decision not to get shedloads of plugins this time around, and that seems to have avoided a lot of unreliability. I have 2 synths that do occasionally crash 10.5 - strangely they're impOSCar and Korg Odyssey - both of which only crash Cubase when I do a lot of patch changing on the fly (and it's definitely those plugins, not Cubase). I still use them though, as they're excellent synths and work well if I'm careful not to patch change while running midi. In fact impOSCar is probably one of my favourite ever softsynths.

Having previously used full versions, I have to say I have been delighted with Artist - I really don't think I miss anything and IMO most of the Pro extras are really aimed at exactly that - pros. Esoteric mastering, surround gizmos, studio setup linkages, video integration - which most amateurs like me just won't use in their studio/bedroom/cellar/whatever. And I do use a reasonable amount of h/w but still don't feel the need to get Pro. Just for the music stuff - Artist packs a lot of punch.

[kritikon]

Oh, I forgot to mention. I love most of the Cubase included FX etc. Some are just basic but do the job well. Some are quite surprising in their depth once you experiment - eg the multitap delay surprised me - very very characterful once you start adding in FX modules to it. And Pro doesn't offer that much more in terms of FX - off the top of my head, the multiband dynamics is the only one that I would hanker after. The IR reverb has only limited IRs, but it's easy to get loads of external good ones - I have a folder full of Lexicons, plates, Bricastis etc and Cubase plays them all fine.

BUT, the synths are pants. I thought I'd like them, but every time I've loaded them up I never get anything I actually want to use - they sound OK, but just not inspiring. A very upfront aggressive bright kind of sound, but just...I dunno, tame I guess. I didn't see any other synths in Pro that make me want it. I exclude Halion and Groove Agent as they're both incredibly useful. Groove Agent looks mundane on the surface, but once I accidentally delved inside in detail - actually it's very flexible and very detailed. I almost bought a 3rd party drum plugin until I really checked Groove Agent out. But full functionality in Artist, so again - Pro doesn't offer advantages there. Possibly Halion has more stuff in Pro?

[Trancer]

Thanks a lot for your answer.

Very often for a classic use, the intermediate offer is quite often sufficient it is true.

[Gadget Fiend]

Personally I don't care about Apple Silicon (just yet) and I'd rather see them finalise the high-DPI transition, rework automation and controller assignment (it's not bad, just convoluted compared to e.g. Studio One), clean up the UI.

I'm on a Mac so I don't care (too much) about HiDPI. But it's frankly unbelievable that Steinberg has still not implemented HiDPI across Cubase, especially when the bulk of Cubase users are on Windows.

And that weird, half-assed implementation of a menu bar across the top of the main Cubase window is just sad (especially on Windows 7 where the menu bar is embedded in the "Areo glass" window chrome/frame).

Steinberg must have so much legacy bloat to contend with that they can't clean up all this stuff while still creating FX plugins and developing content updates that no one but new users care about.

[LeVzi]

Reliablility, C11 has been pretty good, only issues I get are when you close Cubase down, it hangs.

But during use, only dodgy plugins cause issues, and theyd do that with any DAW.

[fese]

Reliablility, C11 has been pretty good, only issues I get are when you close Cubase down, it hangs.

That is most likely related to plugins, too.

[LeVzi]

Reliablility, C11 has been pretty good, only issues I get are when you close Cubase down, it hangs.

That is most likely related to plugins, too.

Yeah more than likely.

[antic604]

Personally I don't care about Apple Silicon (just yet) and I'd rather see them finalise the high-DPI transition, rework automation and controller assignment (it's not bad, just convoluted compared to e.g. Studio One), clean up the UI.

I'm on a Mac so I don't care (too much) about HiDPI. But it's frankly unbelievable that Steinberg has still not implemented HiDPI across Cubase, especially when the bulk of Cubase users are on Windows.

And that weird, half-assed implementation of a menu bar across the top of the main Cubase window is just sad (especially on Windows 7 where the menu bar is embedded in the "Areo glass" window chrome/frame).

Steinberg must have so much legacy bloat to contend with that they can't clean up all this stuff while still creating FX plugins and developing content updates that no one but new users care about.

In some ways Cubase v11's implementation is much closer to best-in-class seen in Live or Bitwig, than e.g. Studio One which is supposed to be newer, more modern code. For example in Cubase you can set up scaling independently from Windows scaling, +/-50%. You can't in Studio One. Also a lot of plugins behave weird in Studio One and they're mostly fine in Cubase.

It's only the GUI itself that hasn't caught up - most graphical elements remain blurry (which is jarring in contrast against sharp fonts), some things flicker when moved, as if they couldn't decide which pixel should be rendered (that also happens in Studio One, though). They'll get there, but indeed it takes longer than for everyone else.

[noiseboyuk]

It's just some unfounded speculation. On some forum a person from Steinberg apparently wrote about Dorico 4 and Cubase 12 and later they edited the post and removed the numbers.

Er, not quite right. "some forum" was actually the main Steinberg retail website, and the message was "Cubase 12 will be released in 2022, but we are starting the grace period today. This means that all Cubase versions activated from today onwards will be eligible for a free update to Cubase 12". This was taken down a few hours later. Matthias Quellman from Steinberg posted on their forum the following day:

Hi all,

This wasn’t supposed to be there without any context. We have removed it again.

The Grace Period has not started yet.

There will be more details coming in the next week.

Please excuse the confusion.

So we'll hopefully know all the details of C12 this week.

[sqigls]

Reliablility, C11 has been pretty good, only issues I get are when you close Cubase down, it hangs.

But during use, only dodgy plugins cause issues, and theyd do that with any DAW.

Cubase has always been like that.
Windows and OSX.

[LeVzi]

Reliablility, C11 has been pretty good, only issues I get are when you close Cubase down, it hangs.

But during use, only dodgy plugins cause issues, and theyd do that with any DAW.

Cubase has always been like that.
Windows and OSX.

No, it never used to hang on exit for me. Any DAW will crash with a messed up plugin, but this hanging on exit only started with 10.5 for me

[sqigls]

when i was on Windows 7, SX3 i think it was, that happened at one stage.
Then on OSX Cubase 6 did it for a while.

[antic604]

It's just some unfounded speculation. On some forum a person from Steinberg apparently wrote about Dorico 4 and Cubase 12 and later they edited the post and removed the numbers.

Er, not quite right. "some forum" was actually the main Steinberg retail website, and the message was "Cubase 12 will be released in 2022, but we are starting the grace period today. This means that all Cubase versions activated from today onwards will be eligible for a free update to Cubase 12". This was taken down a few hours later. Matthias Quellman from Steinberg posted on their forum the following day:

Hi all,

This wasn’t supposed to be there without any context. We have removed it again.

The Grace Period has not started yet.

There will be more details coming in the next week.

Please excuse the confusion.

So we'll hopefully know all the details of C12 this week.

My post you quoted was from before the "leak", so obviously it wasn't about it.

[chk071]

Charlie Steinberg just announced that they will have a 50% off sale on the whole Black Friday weekend. If you don't believe me, PM me, and I give you his mobile phone number.