Cubase 12 leaked on Steinberg's site

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Benutzername wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:22 pm
pixel85 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:25 pm
LeVzi wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:59 pm I would even go as far as to see performance improvements from the dongle being removed. All depends what kind of security they implement. (I pray its not codemeter)
It depends. If they just replace the type of license but they keep the same amount of 'checkpoints', then it may change nothing. It will be even worst if it would be online check-out, especially on WIFI which would hit real-time performance a lot.
Of course, they promised an offline system and not so often check-outs online.
After the last cracked Cubase version came along the cracking crew was asked to also work on the new version but they refused to do so. They said that the process of cracking the code was pretty easy but they had to patch out every single dongle call by hand. They didn't want to do it again because Steinberg had increased the dongle calls in the new version to an insane amount and that it wasn't worth the effort. The crackers wanted to prove that it is possible, not make a profit or feed the community with constant updates.

I remember this because we also used E-Licenser back in the day for our software and this story was one of the reasons why we stepped away from them for the follow up product. The other major reason was that almost half of the support tickets we had was about the dongle and Synchrosoft was no help at all.
I saw the message from them (if it was a legit one of course) and I barely remember it. I remember that they estimated some crazy amount of work hours needed to crack the new eLicenser and it was something like 1 or even 10 years (counting as work hours without breaks) :D
I don't think that Steinberg will go from this to something simple that will be cracked within a few days, like virtually any other anti-piracy (and anti-consumer) system.

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Wow. Hold on to your hats, folks. Just got this from the reFX newsletter:
Steinberg has informed us that they are discontinuing the USB-eLicenser and soft-eLicenser technology as of January 1st, 2022. Steinberg will maintain the server handling those services for a grace period of six months until June 30th, 2022. After that period, Steinberg reserves the right to shut down the server at its sole discretion.

Unfortunately, this move is beyond our control and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.

IMPORTANT: YOUR NEXUS2 WILL CONTINUE TO WORK, EVEN AFTER THE SERVER HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN.

However, once the server has been shut down, it will no longer be possible to download new licenses to any USB-eLicenser or transfer licenses stored on a USB-eLicenser to a different USB-eLicenser. This means if your USB-eLicenser containing your NEXUS2 license gets damaged, you will not be able to transfer it to a new USB-eLicenser.
Cubase 12 will indeed be dongle-free, then. Quite how they manage legacy versions remains to be seen.
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PS - the timing of this reFX newsletter - midnight in Germany - makes me think C12 will be announced tomorrow (Wednesday). For some reason Cubase has always been announced on a Wednesday IIRC. Difference this time is that it'll be just an announcement, not the actual product.
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Thanks for forwarding this information, @noiseboyuk
Well, that is... grade A information from Steinberg right there (#sarcasm).


I really hope we can use a proprietary USB key at least, like it is possible with so many companies these days. This was what the industry tried to move to in 2000s already. They promised "full offline" solutions (I'll be damned if it's C/R linked to your HDD! Like seriously?!). But from what I gather from the reFX text, is that a lot(!) of stuff will break. Like a lot!

VSL being among it. Then again, VSL hinted at "moving to iLok". I've yet to see that.

Will be nice to see what's up with all the third party content that is "linked" to the Elicenser. And what happens to those that want to use an older version of Cubase or Wavelab, not the most recent one (these users will exist!)


Also... it has been disproved plenty of times that the Elicenser "does not add overhead while using Cubase"... It's not as noticeable anymore, but try to unplug your key in the middle of work... wait a couple of minutes, then "poof".

And to anyone saying "Cubase 12 will finally see proper surround, to catch up with Logic and all other hosts"... to this I'll not even give a slight chuckle. Pretty sure it will remain stuck on 5.1ch, only "forward routing", the focus will be VR, "Replace Audio in Video" will still not happen (well, definitely won't bee a free upgrade), and more than 8+ cores? :grimacing:


Yeah... "looking forward" to Cubase 12... :thinking:
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Ok, I lost my wallet, with my dongle in it last week. So I have replacements for my ~90 VSL licenses as I paid for a two-year protection program. They offered me a single license for iLok, which I didn't grok at first, thought it meant the transfer to that authorization was one go. No, that was a longer emergency single authorization than the one under elicenser. (BTW, I was sorted in very little time, still waiting for my licenses from Steiny on the SZDT)
So they're not quite ready right now but this is a sure sign they're about to do it. Apparently it'll be the same 90 licenses again only to an iLok thing. Another sign is the Vienna Protection Plan I just bought is one year, rather than two.

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VSL didn't hint, it was stated plainly March 4 2021:
https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t ... post302591

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jancivil wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:13 am VSL didn't hint, it was stated plainly March 4 2021:
https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t ... post302591
Missed that - thanks.
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Yo. thx for the heads-up on the steiny planning

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this was friday I dealt with this. I went to bed afterwards and by the time I got up Sat. morning VSL had my permanent replacement licenses. Still waiting on Steinberg.

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jancivil wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:13 am VSL didn't hint, it was stated plainly March 4 2021:
https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t ... post302591
They hinted it in 2020 already, this is what I was talking about. Not the announcement after Steinberg's Elicenser server went down pretty much non-stop.

And the ZDT for either iLok or Elicenser... never worked for me. I thankfully only had an iLok issue once(!), and I got sorted out. Knocking on wood that my Elicenser keeps on working for a while (I should maybe just buy a backup and move my licenses... in case I need to freeze a rig).

Thankfully, I also never move my USB keys.



My only concern is:

Can I keep using old(er) licenses? Sometimes I do need to roll back to an old Cubase (because reasons). I am still on Wavelab 10 (because that also was a direct jump to Wavelab 11 - still needs the Elicenser though). There are a lot(!) of unanswered questions still, and if that is really already happening in January 2022... time to get the information feed going!

I already see that Cubase 10 refuses to load the Steinberg news page with the launcher (started about 2 months ago). Steinberg is known to just "turn off stuff" with a maintenance update (happened with WinXP and Win7, I think the maintenance update back then was for Cubase 6, then suddenly it was like "you're still using XP - how about NOPE!", and let me NOT get started on the removal of the video engine with Cubase 8.5 without any even remotely acceptable solution until Cubase 10). Cubase 11 straight refused to even install on Windows 7 (yes, these rigs are still around!).

If I am forced to upgrade to be "allowed to continue using what I once invested good money for", they will definitely get another earful through support (hah!). This is not how you treat 25+ year long loyal users.



So... official announcements and updates for existing users, when?
Or is that exclusive to Nuendo users yet again?
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So the elicenser is completely going as a protection , so all vengeance plugins will have to go to something else. I suspect they'll go codemeter, like Avenger did.

I can see this will take a while to settle down once its removed. I bet the other companies are p!ssed.
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I've cashed in on the ZDT once before. Different email, different account, no connection with that line today as I bought Cubase 10 outright.
Here's the situation, both VSL and Steinberg: the extant licenses will continue to work even after Steiny shuts it all down next year (spring?); BUT no new anything can happen on the key, no new auths, no moving licenses to a new key, no anything. VSL said I could do both, and choose either cloud or a machine auth with the iLok for safety in case of problems with the syncrosoft key. Chances are pretty good I'm going to need new auths from them (not so much in the Cubase line the way 11 has been here, I mean I'm locking that down I think). But after Steinberg shuts it down, the elicenser situation is locked down until you or the hardware dies.

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There is no reason you can't stay with what you have if it's working, but if your dongle quits or vanishes, you'll have to be set for the new way, for VSL the iLok. When did SB say, it's not immediately following the first of the year switcheroo, spring or summer. It's in the thread here, I just don't recall exactly.
VSL has stated unequivocally to me personally that the syncrosoft key is not going to stop just through this for their line ever, just that nothing new applies to it once the servers are turned off for good.

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i have an unused C11 upgrade that i've been holding out on, so i can get a free upgrade to 11.5. Is the grace period definitely not started yet? anyone know?

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sqigls wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:49 am i have an unused C11 upgrade that i've been holding out on, so i can get a free upgrade to 11.5. Is the grace period definitely not started yet? anyone know?
the safest way, is to wait for the next version, and then upgrade.

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