The ultimate vst sequencer plugin?

[dave dove]

[vurt]

not you

[Kinh]

There ain't that many on the market cause they're redundant. What additional feature does a sequencer have over a piano roll?
I would think a piano roll has more features.

A number of DAW piano rolls don’t have facility to use note probabilities, change direction, quantise to a scale etc.

+ most don't have the facility to use note-repeats / ratchets, or step-input recording modes...there, Kinh, that's now 6 features of a step sequencer that a Piano Roll lacks, and we're just getting started.

It's always the folks who have no experience with / no actual idea of what step sequencers are who like to make posts assserting that Piano Rolls are exactly the same or better than them.

Logic Pro and Studio One both added comprehensive step-sequencer functionally within the last few years, and guess what, it's not because their devs though it'd be cool to add totally "redundant" tools that offered nothing beyond their existing Piano Rolls...

Try one. They are loads of fun and encourage compositional approaches that are totally different than standard MIDI recording / editing, particularly when used in step-input record mode.

I'd be nice to be young and know everything again.
I can easily wipe the floor with you right now but I'll just say you are wrong, wrong and...wrong.
"They are loads of fun" sums it up. THAT'S the only reason people like you use them, be honest. A piano roll can do loads more, the modulation capabilities alone destroys any sequencer vst out there and any 'functions' a sequencer has can be easily replicated through automating plugins but many functions piano roll has CAN'T be replicated in a sequencer. So you don't really know what you're talking about or maybe haven't had much experience with MIDI, fair enough.

[mholloway]

I can easily wipe the floor with you right now but I'll just say you are wrong, wrong and...wrong.
"They are loads of fun" sums it up. THAT'S the only reason people like you use them, be honest. A piano roll can do loads more, the modulation capabilities alone destroys any sequencer vst out there and any 'functions' a sequencer has can be easily replicated through automating plugins but many functions piano roll has CAN'T be replicated in a sequencer. So you don't really know what you're talking about or maybe haven't had much experience with MIDI, fair enough.

Dude, seriously... what is wrong with you?

This forum has become an absolutely toxic swamp.

[Kinh]

I can easily wipe the floor with you right now but I'll just say you are wrong, wrong and...wrong.
"They are loads of fun" sums it up. THAT'S the only reason people like you use them, be honest. A piano roll can do loads more, the modulation capabilities alone destroys any sequencer vst out there and any 'functions' a sequencer has can be easily replicated through automating plugins but many functions piano roll has CAN'T be replicated in a sequencer. So you don't really know what you're talking about or maybe haven't had much experience with MIDI, fair enough.

Dude, seriously... what is wrong with you?

This forum has become an absolutely toxic swamp.

But it's OK for them to say:
"It's always the folks who have no experience with / no actual idea of what step sequencers are who like to make posts assserting that Piano Rolls are exactly the same or better than them. "

Bit if a double standard don't ya think!

I have more experience with sequencers and piano Rolls than most people here. If someone says opposite I let them know, I'm sure you're the same.I think ignorance if far more toxic.

[vurt]

I have more experience with sequencers and piano Rolls than most people here.

hmmmm.

[bharris22]

A piano roll for me is like looking at a blank sheet of paper when I want to write something. If I have an idea of what I want to write, that's great, but sometimes (most times) I don't have a lot of time and (yes) just want to have fun playing around with different sounds while the notes are initially chosen by a step sequencer. Adjusting the different parameters in the step sequencer, such as gate, scale, probability, etc. gives me some inspiration and allows me to think of ideas that I would not have necessarily thought of on my own - and certainly not in the amount of time I usually have to play with this stuff.

I think Euclidean sequencing would be particularly difficult to implement in a piano roll. Similarly, clock divisions are another feature that many step sequencers (such as the HY sequencers, and Dave Dove's) have that I find particularly inspirational, but that would be very difficult if not impossible to replicate in most DAW piano rolls. These sequencers create multiple tracks/send notes on multiple MIDI channels at different divisions of the master clock, all within a single VST or M4L device. I have searched for a while to find a simple VST that does clock division, which would be necessary to allow different tracks of a DAW (using the piano roll in each) to proceed at different tempos, but haven't found any.

[WatchTheGuitar]

I have searched for a while to find a simple VST that does clock division, which would be necessary to allow different tracks of a DAW (using the piano roll in each) to proceed at different tempos, but haven't found any.

Closest thing I have to that is the TimeShaper tool in the Cableguys ShaperBox.

[gaggle of hermits]

A piano roll can do loads more, the modulation capabilities alone destroys any sequencer vst out there and any 'functions' a sequencer has can be easily replicated through automating plugins

well that's interesting, can you describe how to ratchet arbitrary notes based on a midi input signal as the track plays? (btw, the plugin I'm thinking of targeting doesn't have MSEGs)

or transpose individual note positions from an external controller? you can sort of do this with the logical editor in cubase or the equivalent in logic but it's not a real-time process. but as you're so experienced...

by the way, if it helps I can translate. "howju ratchet that shiz up if da room is pumpin'?"

[WatchTheGuitar]

well you just need to know exactly what to play (arbitrary is disallowed) and physically play it apparently even if it requires growing extra hands otherwise you are not 4Real

[gaggle of hermits]

well you just need to know exactly what to play (arbitrary is disallowed) and physically play it apparently even if it requires growing extra hands otherwise you are not 4Real

shh, no-one tell ludwig göransson: he's been doin' it 'rong.

[vurt]

well you just need to know exactly what to play (arbitrary is disallowed) and physically play it apparently even if it requires growing extra hands otherwise you are not 4Real

i find it weird that people you'd expect to be "creative" are so shortsighted, they think everyone should work the same way they do!!!

the funny bit though was "real musicians play it in then edit the midi..."
can't remember the last time i used "midi" if im honest guess i wasn't making music...

[fairlyclose]

well you just need to know exactly what to play (arbitrary is disallowed) and physically play it apparently even if it requires growing extra hands otherwise you are not 4Real

i find it weird that people you'd expect to be "creative" are so shortsighted, they think everyone should work the same way they do!!!

the funny bit though was "real musicians play it in then edit the midi..."
can't remember the last time i used "midi" if im honest guess i wasn't making music...

I also find the complete absence of any knowledge of the history of music over the last 100 years or so a tremendous help in understanding what real music and real musicians are.

"What you dont know only makes you stronger"

[vurt]

"What you dont know only makes you stronger"

[pekbro]

Piano roll?: