Cubase 12 leaked on Steinberg's site

[EnGee]

Well, I think everyone should think about his/her needs and acts depending on his/her setup. Let leave company policies to the last one.

Personally, I have relatively a new PC upgrade I just did few months ago and it's for at least 2 or 3 years setup. For this setup I chose to upgrade mainly Cubase and S1 whenever a new version comes.

I don't have any plan to buy any additional synths or effects, so my money will go to the saving of a new system (mostly Apple Silicon based) and possibly a new audio interface/mixer. In that future upgrade I have the choice of Logic Pro as well. Anyway, after about 3 years, I will see.

What I mean to say is that some of us have several choices, so no need to feel negative. Just remember to save your midi/audio files not only projects, so you can open them in another DAW whenever a change is the only solution.

Also, loyalty is a myth Come on! Just use the best option you have. No need to get married and have children with commercial companies.

[sqigls]

i was perfectly happy on C6.5

between apple and steinberg, they don't make things easy to stay on stable rig.

[jonalyn]

Save yourself go to reaper

[andypryce]

From a Mac user perspective, Steinberg continues to make it really hard to be picked by a beginner against $200 Logic that is already native M1 and having fantastic free updates. Right now who would pay $600 for Cubase with a license key that will be obsolete soon and after that you have to report every thirty days to use your program. This is insane. And in general it is easer to see the appeal of the likes of Live or FL Studio against it.

[sqigls]

Save yourself go to reaper

ew

[Compyfox]

From a Mac user perspective, Steinberg continues to make it really hard to be picked by a beginner against $200 Logic that is already native M1 and having fantastic free updates. Right now who would pay $600 for Cubase with a license key that will be obsolete soon and after that you have to report every thirty days to use your program. This is insane. And in general it is easer to see the appeal of the likes of Live or FL Studio against it.

That is a valid point right there.

Although, Logic Pro is cheaper, you still have to buy into the whole Apple economy. And while you were forced to upgrade hardware (at some point) and stay on OS versions not-older-than 2 revisions back... Logic got quite the insane updates (notice the wording).

Just to put this into perspective, Logic Pro has not seen a paid upgrade since, and I kid you not, July 2013 (8 years!)! Now we're on Logic Pro 10.7 (yes... v.7!!!!), and it just got free support for Dolby Atmos mixing.

In the time span since 2013, Steinberg asked for yearly paid upgrades, including "selling us back" "taken-away" features. These 8 years are about 1x the worth of Cubase Pro. Not counting any deals. Same for Nuendo (although Nuendo got one free Upgrade, I don't remember anymore which version though). And guess what, no movement in terms of proper Surround (again, "only for Nuendo"), and the video engine is just... frustrating (Why still no Replace audio in video - for free?!? Cubase is not a NLE for video! Thankfully I found a simple/fast solution and gladly supported the developer after switching to a "commercial perpetual license", upgrades for life)


If it weren't for the IMHO stupid insane hardware pricing for Apple products, and the fact that I'm using PCIe cards (RME, I'd need to replace my setup), I think I'd be on Logic at this point. And instead of Wavelab, probably on HOFA CD-Burn.DDP.Master PRO. Something I've been speculating for quite a while now, since it's a no-nonsense Audio CD creation tool, while Wavelab's focus drastically shifted to Podcasts and Vlogs now (while keeping added baggage like DVD-A alive). Heck, I can't even set custom LUFS reference values for the Batch Analyzer still!

Steinberg has got a lot of catch-up to do.
And needs to rethink their stance on "offline licenses".

[xbitz]

offtopic, wouldn't want to open a topic just because of this, but f*ked almost an hour with HiDPI and Waves StudioRack 11, the mouse position handling was buggy using the plugins with non 100% GUI size in it ... but no needs plugin resizing in Waves StudioRack 12 which have had to be updated manually from https://www.waves.com/plugins/studiorack


so they're handled independently in Waves Central ...

oh, those tiny victories of my life ... it was the morning Cubase news thanks for watching

[kev2525]

My major fear is that progress on Cubase itself will be sacrificed in order to go dongle free. Its been 12 months and there has been zero progress on the midi implementation rewrite they teased. Track freeze needs to be upgraded to allow multiple tracks per pass. Cubase kills for mixing for me, but the sound design aspect of being creative is sorely lacking....

[Googly Smythe]

Seriously thinking about one of these things (<£500) and making music the way I used to in the 70s/80s. I still have some outboard, somewhere...
I won't be getting Cubase 12, that's for sure. And Cubase 11 was a joke.
I feel like Steinberg just said f*ck u. So f*ck u Steinberg.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tascam-DP-24SD ... B00ZVSGVA4



I feel better now, thank you.

[LeVzi]

It will be interesting to see what else comes with V12 other than the dongle drop. I guess depending on how easy it is to get the dongle code out, and replace it with the new ID system, will give them time to develop more new features and improvements.

I'm hoping the protection switch is easy and V12 will have more under the hood. It definitely needs a really good instrument , logic has Alchemy, and I'd like them to integrate GlissEQ from Voxengo like they did with CurveEQ.

[morelia]

I don't like it. No internet at 30 days and you are without C12 until the issue is resolved. That's a bit rude.

[tappert]

I bought the 11.0 Update this summer without activating it. Can I do it now to use v11 and get v12 for free in a few months? It's not super clear

[fmr]

It's funny how people are complaining now that the new system is also bad because now it will require the internet to check out a license. Like... what did they expect to get? To put CD-ROM to the drive to check legitimacy?
I have a feeling that those are the same people who were complaining that eLicenser is taking 1 USB port and they can't live with such an unbearable burden.

Yes, people who were complaining about the eLicenser are now tasting their own venom, and seeing that, after all, eLicenser is not that bad. Probably better than the given alternative. They were probably expecting Steinberg to go to a simple serial number authorization

That said, I think we should make a campaign asking Steinberg to keep eLicenser as an alternative, or at least give the user a hybrid solution (one license deposited in eLicenser and another allowed through the new online system). That way all user's needs would be protected.

[fmr]

I bought the 11.0 Update this summer without activating it. Can I do it now to use v11 and get v12 for free in a few months? It's not super clear

Yes, it is clear. They mention ACTIVATION. so if you activate now, you will fall under the grace period.

[chk071]

It's funny how people are complaining now that the new system is also bad because now it will require the internet to check out a license. Like... what did they expect to get? To put CD-ROM to the drive to check legitimacy?
I have a feeling that those are the same people who were complaining that eLicenser is taking 1 USB port and they can't live with such an unbearable burden.

Yes, people who were complaining about the eLicenser are now seeing that, after all, eLicenser is not that bad. Probably better than the given alternative. They were probably expecting Steinberg to go to a simple serial number authorization

They should have known that you don't go from one of the most secure options to one of the most insecure options though. But, that's probably expecting too much, to expect a little use of the brain for once.