Cubase 12 leaked on Steinberg's site

[Googly Smythe]

...it's quite possible C12 could solve all bugs that affect you and also update all the inconsistent features.

Hey, I just saw a flock of flying pigs!

[_leras]

Matthias_Quellmann: "Unfortunately the information on the What’s new in 11 website was published unintentionally and it has already been removed. I’m sorry for the confusion."

Hopefully people didn't activate because of the grace period claim. Typically the grace period is for about a month before any new release.

they seem to have put it back
https://www.steinberg.net/cubase/12/

maybe a good time to upgrade from 10.5 now

[mitchiemasha]

I did. Still don't understand.

This is why I stopped commenting on forums, and just scanned. Always drawn back as words are mistaken

My comment was mostly about how hyped I get this time of year, right now for the new cubase update...

This was exactly my thoughts. Fear that the new update this year would be mostly the dongle free jump. But no!!! it's worse, we don't even get an update. It may read sad but it's the 1 thing I get hyped for this time of year.

Hope that helps.

[dellboy]

Well we at least now know what will happen to the old dongles, we get to keep them forever with whatever licence is on it. Not such a great deal for those who have already purchased and activated version 11 though is it? Seems a bit unfair to say the least.

So as long as they don't break,those who activate version 11 from now on can run Cubase 11 forever on any machine. And on top of that they get version 12 which I assume can be sold in the normal way if they so wish. So I wonder how may will take this option and just keep the old dongled 11 version forever and sell the new version?

[fmr]

...on top of that they get version 12 which I assume can be sold in the normal way if they so wish. So I wonder how may will take this option and just keep the old dongled 11 version forever and sell the new version?

They can't, unless I read it wrong before. Those who update from an eLicenser would not be able to resell their licenses. Sop you either resell the current license you have on eLicenser ands buy a new one or you will end up with a NFR license.

At least that's what I got from previous reading.

[chk071]

I did. Still don't understand.

This is why I stopped commenting on forums, and just scanned. Always drawn back as words are mistaken

My comment was mostly about how hyped I get this time of year, right now for the new cubase update...

This was exactly my thoughts. Fear that the new update this year would be mostly the dongle free jump. But no!!! it's worse, we don't even get an update. It may read sad but it's the 1 thing I get hyped for this time of year.

Hope that helps.

Ok, so, if I get you (still not sure), it was about the update you expected to be this year. Which will come in a very few months.

[Benutzername]

They can't, unless I read it wrong before. Those who update from an eLicenser would not be able to resell their licenses. Sop you either resell the current license you have on eLicenser ands buy a new one or you will end up with a NFR license.

At least that's what I got from previous reading.

I think they'll just switch the license tag on the dongle to "NFR" when upgrading the license. Technically you can still run all the old versions of Cubase with this dongle and of course you can just sell it to another person while you keep your new software C12 license. However, passing the dongle to someone else would be a license violation in this case.

But it's not a full license anymore. The dongle will lose it's ability to act as upgrade source once it's gone NFR and it can't be registered to MySteinberg for support because it will be hard wired to the user account of the previous owner. Maybe Steinberg will also restrict all downloads of older Cubase versions to registered dongle users once the new system is up and running.

I guess that Steinberg will take this risk of having two licenses around for a while because older versions will fade out over time anyway.

[dellboy]

They can't, unless I read it wrong before. Those who update from an eLicenser would not be able to resell their licenses. Sop you either resell the current license you have on eLicenser ands buy a new one or you will end up with a NFR license.

At least that's what I got from previous reading.

In the email they say...............

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"Can I sell licenses? If so, how?

Yes, you will still be able to sell your retail licenses using the Steinberg Licensing system. We will provide details of this process in the future.

Note, however, after you have updated an existing license for a Steinberg product to a version that uses the new Steinberg Licensing system, although the license for the previous version will remain in your eLicenser, you cannot resell, transfer or update/upgrade that license."
......................................


So I read it that they allow you to keep the old 11 licence but you will not be able to sell it. As you have just purchased the new full version 12 it must be re-saleable. It says "that licence", meaning the old licence on the dongle. That licence becomes NFR. Am I reading it wrong?

[ShawnG]

If you upgrade to 12, you can’t sell 11 anymore. you would still be able to sell 12 via whatever means the new license system allows. But the 11 license would still exist on the dongle and wouldn’t be upgraded to 12 on the dongle itself like the old system used to do. 12 will only exist on the new system. 11 will be NFR on the dongle, 12 will be on the new thing.

[LoveEnigma18]

If you upgrade to 12, you can’t sell 11 anymore. you would still be able to sell 12 via whatever means the new license system allows. But the 11 license would still exist on the dongle and wouldn’t be upgraded to 12 on the dongle itself like the old system used to do. 12 will only exist on the new system. 11 will be NFR on the dongle, 12 will be on the new thing.

Yeah, this is correct. A couple of days ago I posted about this after not understanding that FAQ correctly, but today I read it again and it made sense.

I wonder what will happen to the older version on soft or USB e-licensers once they stop their e-licensing server. Would those licenses still work? What if I need to do software reactivation of that e-licenser license if I were to change my hard disk or computer?

[fmr]

If you upgrade to 12, you can’t sell 11 anymore. you would still be able to sell 12 via whatever means the new license system allows. But the 11 license would still exist on the dongle and wouldn’t be upgraded to 12 on the dongle itself like the old system used to do. 12 will only exist on the new system. 11 will be NFR on the dongle, 12 will be on the new thing.

Although the AUTHORIZATION method is different, the license is just ONE SINGLE LICENSE. You don't have a license for 11 and another for 12, as you don't have a license for 10, 9, 8, whatever., although you can run any of these versions out of your existing license.

And you don't buy a NEW FULL license, you UPGRADE your existing license. At least, that's how I read it. In the past, the upgrade would rewrite the old license on the eLicenser. Maybe Steinberg could (should) clarify what they mean by "that license".

[chk071]

Would be interesting if they keep it that way, that you can install and activate every lower version of Cubase with your current license.

[vurt]

If you upgrade to 12, you can’t sell 11 anymore. you would still be able to sell 12 via whatever means the new license system allows. But the 11 license would still exist on the dongle and wouldn’t be upgraded to 12 on the dongle itself like the old system used to do. 12 will only exist on the new system. 11 will be NFR on the dongle, 12 will be on the new thing.

Although the AUTHORIZATION method is different, the license is just ONE SINGLE LICENSE. You don't have a license for 11 and another for 12, as you don't have a license for 10, 9, 8, whatever., although you can run any of these versions out of your existing license.

And you don't buy a NEW license, you UPGRADE your existing license. At least, that's how I read it. Maybe Steinberg could (should) clarify what they mean by "license".

yeah past licences form part of any current licence "payment" in that you upgrade for cheaper than someone buying in at that version.

but the upgrade, which some will get free as a grace period thing, im not sure if that would be like purchasing the upgrade, then deciding to stick so selling the upgrade alone.
sometimes "free" means you can't.

they need to clarify it though, because clearly you're all reading it differently

[fmr]

Would be interesting if they keep it that way, that you can install and activate every lower version of Cubase with your current license.

I don't believe so. The older versions reside on the eLicenser code, so they must run through that method. It's something older users will have an advantage on, I believe - being able to run older versions, while people that start with 12 will be stick with that version and (eventually) newer ones.

[chk071]

That would my guess too. Shame.