Cubase 12 leaked on Steinberg's site

[BBFG#]

Like me they are German and at least for us Germans it is typically considered bad writing style to repeat a word like that twice in the same sentence or in succeeding sentences,...

It's the same thing in french... probably the same for all language...

It's also the same in the Americas, but most often ignored and not really taught as much now. Because, well, you know, it's "__". And especially now, when everything is for dramatic purpose.

These days I just accept that it's on me to derive meaning or ask for clarification. I do my best. Yet still, my grammar is in many ways, as shite as anyone's. Apologies abound.

Back to topic. I think I'm missing what this "Squasher" is. Will someone explain that to me?

[Googly Smythe]

<rant>

Everybody at each other's throats.

Everyone taking offense over whatever opinions the other person holds.

Days spent trying to trawl through official statements, yet can't make head nor tail of it because of weasel words.

People getting the fear because they spent hundreds/thousands of bucks sometimes on a product that just gets corporatized and they just want to keep making music, with the software they actually paid for.

People telling them to calm down. Shills shilling for the brigade.

Other people who mean well giving forth decent opinions, but still, no concrete answer as to what will happen.

Total f**king confusion.

Certain words from the English language banned. Even when used within context.

Right think/wrong think.

The same boring f**king posters who always have to pipe up in every single f**king thread that gets attention, for attention. They add fuel to the fire. More looks/peeps - this is good for KVR - for advertising.

Music hasn't been fun for a while.

I've spent f**king thousands of pounds on software, and more than half of it doesn't f**king work. So scared are the developers of being robbed, of being cheated, that we have to pay. But we can't talk about that here. It's a banned subject, so I'll shut the f**k up.

Yeah, music hasn't been fun for a while. Most of my software has stopped working through OS updates and new draconian methods of authorisation. You thought C+R was bad? You thought the f**king dongle was bad? Welcome to the future motherfuckers. A future where it is illegal to NOT be online to be checked constantly.

Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. But isn't this the way it is going. There's a fucktonne of money to be made in Music Software. An absolute f**king Goldmine and I don't buy in to the poor old developer meme anymore. I've seen people play this game and when they get a grip they want a monopoly. And then they get their useful idiots to partisan for them. Don't be a hater bro'.

The pendulum is swinging the other way.

Not only is making music not fun any more, it's not even f**king possible because the software I f**king bought doesn't work anymore unless I either upgrade or buy a new f**king computer.

I'm currently sourcing parts and buying redundant shit so I can just backdial and go back to WinXP - I shit you not! Buying mobos, GFX cards (didn't have on chip GFX dies then).

I feel abandoned. Thoroughly f**king demoralised in fact, and I can see many of you feel the same way too. But the wheel rolls on.

I'm glad I decided to go hardware the last few years. I've got more than enough to see me through till I die. I've also got enough software too. More than I can use. More than I can install. More than I can really get intimate with.

I'm not sure what Steinberg are up to. It might even be ok. But for the f**king love of God, stop being such disingenuous c**ts and spell it out for the little man. f**k me, I'm autistic myself, but what the f**k is your excuse? This is extreme on the f**king spectrum autism. This is almost f**king dribbling autism.

I have no trust or faith anymore in these companies. It's not just Steinberg. I'm ready to jump ship, and not just from Software to Hardware, but to making no music at all.

It's not like anyone wants to listen to anyone's music anymore anyway. I'm lucky in that I have quite a deep portfolio of songs, plus I can engineer and I can produce. But I'm just not feeling the love.

Companies like BFD and Steinberg need to make some hard decisions, because I and a lot of other people have already made up ours. We are ready for some new disruptive technology.

This relationship is not working anymore. It's not a healthy relationship. It's one sided and abusive.

All us battered spouses have to do is stand up and say: NO, I don't want to be beaten anymore.

If I knew what Steinberg were planning, I could react to it or respond to it. The fact they are gaslighting me really does not go in their favour. I distrust them now, no matter what.

I feel as if these companies have become so powerful, so omnipotent that they have become a part of my soul, and they are metastasizing in my body like cancer. They know that we can not kill them off without killing ourselves first.

But I am prepared to do that, to commit suicide, to see these f**king parasites get ended. It's the only way to be sure. Nuke it from f**king orbit.

And before you get all 'concern troll' I'm speaking in metaphors here, doh!

I think it's best that I give up music now. The only thing that means anything to me in this life. I'll see if I can keep a hardware rig going - pretty sure I can - I got a lot of stuff. Then I'll see if I can keep an old rig for synth1 and Sq8l and whatnot, EnergyXT.

There really needs to be a reckoning pretty soon with all this abusive shit.

Already I can feel myself parting ways with forums like KVR and GS. I'm in the process of deleting my entire account, but it takes time.

And we are the ones that prop this place up, help people out, both public and in PMs. KVR is one of the better places, but I can feel it slipping...

I have no idea what the f**k Steinberg is talking about. But I don't trust them. I never did. I didn't have to. But now I do, because they will be checking up on me? Say it isn't so! Say I'm wrong! Say I'm paranoid!

Speak in simple English for people who[(m)?] it is their first language, please.

There is something very wrong with how this whole music making trip has ended up.

</rant>

Broadly speaking, this is how I feel. Not just about music but anything to do with computing these days. I'm beginning to lump software developers together with politicians and estate agents.

[jancivil]

Squasher is a multi-band compressor that combines upward and downward compression, ...

looks quite detailed. I didn't ask for it because I like the one I like, and know.

[v1o]

For software preservation purposes its a serious issue if in the future it becomes impossible to run old versions of Cubase that you paid for. USB dongles are not indestructible, they will fail at some point and if it happens after the license servers shuts down you lose your investment instantly. This is a $600 piece of software with $100 annual updates - that is very anti-consumer! Maybe piracy is a good thing for the long term preservation of discontinued software?

[jancivil]

becaue of my VSL investment, which is far more than 600 bucks, I'll have to accept new authorization schemes. Becoming miserable about it doesn't change anything. With them I can keep the dongle and have the iLok, cloud or machine auth, if I can with Cubase I will.
My first dongle problem was it fell apart from all the in and out over time, sent it to VSL LA and got new licenses; Cubase support also sorted me same day, which is not likely to ever be the case again with them.

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[noiseboyuk]

It's grimly fascinating reading this forum of Very Angry Men (always men, I think). For many it seems, something which to me is a trivial technicality somehow seems to go to the core of their being, to be an affront to humanity itself. There's even a hint in the above post that this a widespread movement, with many other oppressed people out there "too afraid to speak up" against the tyrants. The notion that switching copy protection from a dongle to a different method would, on a fundamental level, wreck making-music itself is a piece of psychology that is fascinating to me.

I can barely fathom it. Maybe I will become enlightened after a few more pages of rants.

You know, now I think of it, I see this kind of behaviour a lot in society today.

[Dunbar]

It's a valid rant, in my opinion.

If I'd have known my Steinberg/Jones Pro-24 floppy required me to dial into a BBS every month in order to work, I'd have said "on yer bike, son".

[jens]

The vast majority of people generally fear change.

[Scotty]

It's a valid rant, in my opinion.

If I'd have known my Steinberg/Jones Pro-24 floppy required me to dial into a BBS every month in order to work, I'd have said "on yer bike, son".

Pretty sure that floppy was the dongle.

[fese]

I also wished Steinberg was more open with their users and engaged to find out what they really want and need.

To be fair, they do that, more so in the recent years, where they had polls on their forum, and yes, some of the results were implemented. Of course not everything, and probably not your favorite one. But no DAW developer can implement every feature every requested by anyone on a forum, and Cubase has a very wide and diverse user base with different requirements.
I agree though that I personally prefer them working on ironing out the kinks and updating 20 year old legacy code (like the macro system) instead of some fancy new effects plugins…

[dellboy]

This whole dongle thing is starting to turn into a non event with this latest Cubase forum post............

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"it’s worth pointing out, for the avoidance of doubt, that once the eLicenser infrastructure is eventually shut down – and we are talking some years into the future here –"

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So we have years left of using our older Cubase versions. So I suppose the only people to be effected by this change in the immediate future are those who like to keep up to date with the very latest version.

[chk071]

But no DAW developer can implement every feature every requested by anyone on a forum, and Cubase has a very wide and diverse user base with different requirements.

It also would be absolutely silly to do so. If Cubase would have all of Ableton's and Bitwig's feature, for example, it would become an absolute Frankenstein of a software, which nobody owuld be able to handle, and which would be absolutely no fun to use, with all that clutter and features, which could only be implemeted half assed.

Software has to be specialized. It has to wear the signature of the developer, and has to be developed with a certain vision in mind. Which is successful, and "what the market wants" or not. Let's be realistic. Cubase is one of the most popular DAW's out there. There's really not much in the way of "they act against or offsides of the market". They had a vision which was on the finger of the pulse of a big part of the market. There's no doubting that.

[vurt]

It's a valid rant, in my opinion.

If I'd have known my Steinberg/Jones Pro-24 floppy required me to dial into a BBS every month in order to work, I'd have said "on yer bike, son".

even the bit about music being dead?
im pretty sure it's not, even if steinberg did f**k his metaphoric wife.