Cubase 12 leaked on Steinberg's site

[Freaqpeak]

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Large professional studios do have Internet connection ... and backup via the network and even use cloudservices.

You can have a secure and stable environment while having an Internet connection - OFCOURSE.

Bedroom studio users with a lot of cracked software are the ones wanting no Internet connection while using their pirated software....... for obvious reasons.

I have always had an Internet connection to my personal DAW since the 90's and also in shared studios... it was never a problem.
You dont even need CPU intensive antivirus or software firewalls. Its all about basic IT knowledge....

Just a quick burn of that strawman.
I have no cracked software, do not pirate, and prefer to have as much disconnect from internet as I can achieve.
And there's a difference between "stable" and optimized.

But why then????
There are zero reasons not to connect to a secure network with todays OS's and chipsets. If you engage in sensitive information (national security, military) sure... but for a simple audio workstation. Do you still make backups on external usb disks and move them physically each day?
Burn CD's? Talk about making life harder than it can be in 2021.
Updating software must be a pain!
If you think connecting an Ethernet cable makes your system unoptimized, you are not going by facts at all, only feelings.. sorry but you will not have more CPU at hand or lower latency by connecting an Ethernet cable to your computer. It is not 1994.
It is so ridicolous if you think about it...

Music-making doesn't make 100% of the audio production industry.
For example, studios that are working on video games or films may prefer to avoid internet connection to avoid a breach or data theft. Even very secretive agencies are hacked and you think that a consumer-grade 'secure network will guarantee you 100% security?
A leak of AAA (or even AA) game or movie can cost a company an enormous amount of money - in that case, having a PC off the grid is really not a big deal.

It doesnt work like that in the real world. I work with IT security on a daily basis. Also where data (video in this case) CANNOT be extracted from a room via any employees. But they still need a network connection to make secure (encrypted) backups. They still need to get updates for their software and licensing servers on the Internet. It's REALLY easy to accomplish this. You can do it in so many ways.

To be clear: for most part it's about the behaviour of people/employees, not the tech itself. When people say they get malware, they have done something wrong themselfs. It's not the tech faults that you opened that attached file from an e-mail, run as admin on your machine, or download crap.

Teach your employees how to behave and restrict some sites/programs if you wish. You can even whitelist which programs that can be executed on a workstation. Still - employees can copy from USB, take photos via the cellphone or whatever. But employees has policy's to follow - that is the single most important factor in security! A clear policy and education, education, education. You can't restrict every possible attack vector or you won't be able to work at all.

Doesn't change the fact that all (serious) businesses use networks for backup and updates. And that includes connections to the Internet as well. We run local update/license-servers as well as cloud-based ones. These are the only sites you can reach from servers/workstations that need to be heavily secured. It's not a problem.

Name me ONE company in media/gaming business that doesn't allow their employees to have an Internt-connection on their workstation.

Also: you can easily restrict the usage of anything BUT Steinbergs servers - if you wish to - on your consumer-grade router. You can restrict things like Dropbox, Facebook, whaver. Whitelisting or blacklisting sites you can visit.

(the infamous Stuxnet that infected Iranian nuclear facilities where hacked via USB dongles btw, the machines had no Internet-connection...)

Consumer-grade or not doesn't really matter if you know what you are doing. Just use open-source router firmware or a simple Raspberry Pie if you don't trust the original firmware.

Solution for paranoid home studio owners:
1. Use a known consumer-based router like above (or a Raspberry Pie as router/firewall)
2. Restrict the firewall rules to deny everything except traffic to "licenses.steinberg.net".
3. You can't do anything on the Internet except verifying the license now. Problem solved.

(you can do this with Windows built-in firewall as well - or a free third-party firewall software, but I would recommend using your external router/firewall instead, for many reasons).

If you need to update any programs, just temporarly open up native-instruments.com or whatever, do the updates and then deny the traffic again.

[ShawnG]

So, basically, as ein deutschlander (geddit - another sausage gag, you can never have too many), you are trying to give humour lessons to the rest of ze verld. You don't sink ve are doing it right? Ja?
Doesn't zis seem a bit - you know - arrogant?

As opposed to lecturing non-English speakers on humour - that's never arrogant or patronising at all. Still, top marks on ze hilarious zpellingz for ze people with ze funny akzentz different from uz!

Anyway, how about that Cubase 12, eh?!!

To be fair, he was using German accent spelling, you’ve then gone and dumped on the French now. Lol

I am a native English (American) speaker, and have studied both German and French, and the nice thing about German in particular is that the language is largely free of exceptions to rules. English is full of contradictions, and one of them concerns i before e rules, and thus they are one of the most common spelling mistakes. Which is why we as a nation found it hilarious that a politician named Weiner got busted for sending dick pics. We do spell the sausage in the correct German and English way (when we aren’t attributing it to the good people of Frankfurt instead, or comparing it to a dachshund)

Damn this IS off topic, but it’s more educational than the actual topic has become…

[egbert]

Here's a paste from Visiting Vienna:

Wien or Vienna?
(Wien sign)

If you’re troubled by various roadside signs announcing Wien where you’re expecting Vienna, relax.

Wien is simply the local word for Vienna in Austria. You pronounce it “Veen” (with a V).

So Wien and Vienna are the same place.

A Wiener is a male who comes from Vienna (and, crucially, not a sausage – that’s called a Frankfurter here). A female from Vienna is a Wienerin.

[noiseboyuk]

Damn this IS off topic, but it’s more educational than the actual topic has become…

Ha! I'll go with that.

[jens]

I just don't think you can usefully critique a nation's humour from the outside

Was an education-thing, not a humour-thing, you know?

[jens]

A Wiener is a male who comes from Vienna (and, crucially, not a sausage – that’s called a Frankfurter here). A female from Vienna is a Wienerin.

That's not fully correct - first of all a "Frankfurter" is actually pure porc while the "Wiener" is porc and beef mixed, and secondly they tend to simply call it "Würstel" (which refers to a Pair of Wieners) in Austria, and this goes especially for Vienna.

[pixel85]

^

Large professional studios do have Internet connection ... and backup via the network and even use cloudservices.

You can have a secure and stable environment while having an Internet connection - OFCOURSE.

Bedroom studio users with a lot of cracked software are the ones wanting no Internet connection while using their pirated software....... for obvious reasons.

I have always had an Internet connection to my personal DAW since the 90's and also in shared studios... it was never a problem.
You dont even need CPU intensive antivirus or software firewalls. Its all about basic IT knowledge....

Just a quick burn of that strawman.
I have no cracked software, do not pirate, and prefer to have as much disconnect from internet as I can achieve.
And there's a difference between "stable" and optimized.

But why then????
There are zero reasons not to connect to a secure network with todays OS's and chipsets. If you engage in sensitive information (national security, military) sure... but for a simple audio workstation. Do you still make backups on external usb disks and move them physically each day?
Burn CD's? Talk about making life harder than it can be in 2021.
Updating software must be a pain!
If you think connecting an Ethernet cable makes your system unoptimized, you are not going by facts at all, only feelings.. sorry but you will not have more CPU at hand or lower latency by connecting an Ethernet cable to your computer. It is not 1994.
It is so ridicolous if you think about it...

Music-making doesn't make 100% of the audio production industry.
For example, studios that are working on video games or films may prefer to avoid internet connection to avoid a breach or data theft. Even very secretive agencies are hacked and you think that a consumer-grade 'secure network will guarantee you 100% security?
A leak of AAA (or even AA) game or movie can cost a company an enormous amount of money - in that case, having a PC off the grid is really not a big deal.

It doesnt work like that in the real world. I work with IT security on a daily basis. Also where data (video in this case) CANNOT be extracted from a room via any employees. But they still need a network connection to make secure (encrypted) backups. They still need to get updates for their software and licensing servers on the Internet. It's REALLY easy to accomplish this. You can do it in so many ways.

To be clear: for most part it's about the behaviour of people/employees, not the tech itself. When people say they get malware, they have done something wrong themselfs. It's not the tech faults that you opened that attached file from an e-mail, run as admin on your machine, or download crap.

Teach your employees how to behave and restrict some sites/programs if you wish. You can even whitelist which programs that can be executed on a workstation. Still - employees can copy from USB, take photos via the cellphone or whatever. But employees has policy's to follow - that is the single most important factor in security! A clear policy and education, education, education. You can't restrict every possible attack vector or you won't be able to work at all.

Doesn't change the fact that all (serious) businesses use networks for backup and updates. And that includes connections to the Internet as well. We run local update/license-servers as well as cloud-based ones. These are the only sites you can reach from servers/workstations that need to be heavily secured. It's not a problem.

Name me ONE company in media/gaming business that doesn't allow their employees to have an Internt-connection on their workstation.

Also: you can easily restrict the usage of anything BUT Steinbergs servers - if you wish to - on your consumer-grade router. You can restrict things like Dropbox, Facebook, whaver. Whitelisting or blacklisting sites you can visit.

(the infamous Stuxnet that infected Iranian nuclear facilities where hacked via USB dongles btw, the machines had no Internet-connection...)

Consumer-grade or not doesn't really matter if you know what you are doing. Just use open-source router firmware or a simple Raspberry Pie if you don't trust the original firmware.

Solution for paranoid home studio owners:
1. Use a known consumer-based router like above (or a Raspberry Pie as router/firewall)
2. Restrict the firewall rules to deny everything except traffic to "licenses.steinberg.net".
3. You can't do anything on the Internet except verifying the license now. Problem solved.

(you can do this with Windows built-in firewall as well - or a free third-party firewall software, but I would recommend using your external router/firewall instead, for many reasons).

If you need to update any programs, just temporarly open up native-instruments.com or whatever, do the updates and then deny the traffic again.

Man, you wrote this essay for nothing. You just had to read this part properly: "For example, studios that are working on video games or films may prefer to avoid internet connection to avoid a breach or data theft".
I didn't say that I know who is working this way, I just gave you an example of reasoning why somebody may prefer to be off the grid.

Ps. it's nice that you're working in IT security. I work in the video game industry. If you need to know how certain companies are working internally, you'll have to search the internet for official statements because this kind of information is not shared freely by random employees on public forums just like that.

[vurt]

A Wiener is a male who comes from Vienna (and, crucially, not a sausage – that’s called a Frankfurter here). A female from Vienna is a Wienerin.

That's not fully correct - first of all a "Frankfurter" is actually pure porc while the "Wiener" is porc and beef mixed, and secondly they tend to simply call it "Würstel" (which refers to a Pair of Wieners) in Austria, and this goes especially for Vienna.

a pair?
one causes me enough problems!

[egbert]

A Wiener is a male who comes from Vienna (and, crucially, not a sausage – that’s called a Frankfurter here). A female from Vienna is a Wienerin.

That's not fully correct - first of all a "Frankfurter" is actually pure porc while the "Wiener" is porc and beef mixed, and secondly they tend to simply call it "Würstel" (which refers to a Pair of Wieners) in Austria, and this goes especially for Vienna.

I am not the author, that is what the website I referred to says.

[jens]

Yeah, I got that of course - but since you quoted it, I would deem it fair enough to nonetheless add my two nickles, right?

[jens]

a pair?
one causes me enough problems!

Tell me about it - I have three, so having only two seems like a relief to me...

[vurt]

a pair?
one causes me enough problems!

Tell me about it - I have three, so having only two seems like a relief to me...

im surprised you can find underwear thats comfortable

[ShawnG]

because of this thread I had to stop and get a hot dog for lunch today. Bastards

[egbert]

You need to look for the upside.

If you were to die today, you will be extremely well preserved.

You're welcome.

[VitaminD]

Here's a paste from Visiting Vienna:

Wien or Vienna?
(Wien sign)

If you’re troubled by various roadside signs announcing Wien where you’re expecting Vienna, relax.

Wien is simply the local word for Vienna in Austria. You pronounce it “Veen” (with a V).

So Wien and Vienna are the same place.

A Wiener is a male who comes from Vienna (and, crucially, not a sausage – that’s called a Frankfurter here). A female from Vienna is a Wienerin.

And Berliners are a fruit jelly filled pastry. I'm beginning to think the Germans are very hungry people!