KVR Audio

SentientSteve · Post by **SentientSteve** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:30 am

well if your reading this I hope you don't flame me immediately, I do kinda know what I'm talking about.

here's the deal, I used to used JUST fruityloops before, with some freeware vsts and samples I downloaded. I used this alot. about 4 months ago, I bought alot of hardware, and sonar 3. I never really got rolling. maybe I temporarily lost interest. dumb, but true. the whole time I knew I'd make music someday, and my pc has been messed up the last 2 months. it won't even boot. but alas I'm determined to fix it tommorow.

howsabout I cut to the chase. I bought a book on sonar, bought a book on synthesis and read a few hundred pages on it. I have a delta 1010, 1 gig of ram,amd barton 2500 plus, a microkorg (which I'm selling), a futureretro FR-777 monophonic analog synth, and a tr-606 I got cheap.

I guess I didn't cut to the chase really. anyway I want to program very complex drums, but I know that if I JUST string one-shots together, it doesn't sound dirty enough. so maybe I should just make seperate loops for each of my drum patterns in fl and then export them to WAV and open them in something like Intakt or REcycle? also, I use midi to send note information to my outboard synths, and then record that as audio so I can so another melody/recording with that synth. I'm also considering purchaseing an analog spring reverb. but I want to be able to sequence it, hear what it sounds like, and then record it, all in FL. I've prettymuch decided to ditch sonar. I'm good with fruity, but I haven't tried music at this level with it. will it be able to do what I want it to do?

Incase your wondering, my music will be mostly ambient, but with complex breaks. and some drum and bass esque stuff. I know, probably overdone.

Steven West · Post by **Steven West** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:12 pm

Love the name!

But don't be so hard on yourself, and/or your music.
I'd say just let it flow. If you get a good riff on the 777, sure - lay it in. If you get some loops happening in Sonar, pump them up. I just go at music in a hypnotic state almost, and afterwards there's a hell of a mess to clean up!

But seriously, if you're too concerned with 'getting the music through' - you won't get 'much music done'.
Workflow is overrated. If it's flowing, you're working on it. Whether you got 15 MIDI cables you're tripping over, or just 2 open devices in Sonar. Doesn't matter to anyone, as long as you're satisfied with the output. And you learn along the way, right?

2 quotes that get me through life - see if they help you as well?
"20 Years of schooling, and they put you on the day shift." - Bob Dylan
"Just Do It" - Nike

Rellik · Post by **Rellik** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:24 pm

Hey, don't understimate the power of one-shots, especially in FL. It's all about using them subtlely - if you think you can't get it "dirty" enough, then you haven't really been "doing" enough

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However, if you're doing breakbeats, I agree that the easiest way is to break an actual beat. So good idea with that - I don't see why you don't just use FL Slicer instead of Intakt or ReCycle though.

russell · Post by **russell** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:08 am

im buying a spring reverb soon also. make sure you buy one with a line formation spring setup, NOT the Z shaped spring formations. the line ones are how you get that dubby sound.

SentientSteve · Post by **SentientSteve** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:41 am

Well, I have a pretty good idea of how I want my actual "workflow" to go, but what I want to know is, can I do everything I stated above with FL studio easily? i.e like take a MIDI track on the 777 and record that as audio and make tweaks as the song is running? but I guess the biggest hurdle is.... my dum rhythms will be very complex sometimes, I just love that stuff. but if I just get a bunch of samples and string em together, is doesn't sound as good as if I ran them through a loop editor in wav, applying effects and whatnot. or should I try to filter it right in FL as I'm going? or would I have to create a whole new flp at the same bpm, and then export that to wav, open it in REcycle or something, then import it into my project. I just like working fast.

Thanks alot for the replies fellahs, it is appreciated.

o'malley · Post by **o'malley** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:48 am

SentientSteve wrote:Well, I have a pretty good idea of how I want my actual "workflow" to go, but what I want to know is, can I do everything I stated above with FL studio easily? i.e like take a MIDI track on the 777 and record that as audio and make tweaks as the song is running? but I guess the biggest hurdle is.... my dum rhythms will be very complex sometimes, I just love that stuff. but if I just get a bunch of samples and string em together, is doesn't sound as good as if I ran them through a loop editor in wav, applying effects and whatnot. or should I try to filter it right in FL as I'm going? or would I have to create a whole new flp at the same bpm, and then export that to wav, open it in REcycle or something, then import it into my project. I just like working fast.

Thanks alot for the replies fellahs, it is appreciated.

You definatly have all the tools, I think it's just a matter of sitting down and using them. I think if you experiment enough you'll get the sound you want.

The good thing is you know what you want to hear. Getting that is the easy part.

M'Snah · Post by **M'Snah** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:33 am

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:09 am

I think the key is just to experiment. You've mentioned a lot of ideas for things you could try, so go try them! There is no RIGHT or WRONG way to make music. I too have a 777, and I've been working on a song made 100% by tracking 777 loops into Acid- drums, bass, melody, everything! Just get creative, and have fun with it.

I need help envisioning my workflow