To be honest. I was planning for a long time to update the pg-8x (only did not have the time for it). But now I am getting more hesitant. Having the pg-8x plugin available while there was no alternative from Roland was one thing, but I am slightly nervous that now with the JX-8P officially available as VST from Roland, any further development on the free plugin might be welcome by Roland. So, I am not quite sure what to do...SebAV wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:19 pmSince the soft synth inside the Boutique is the same as the ZC jx8p model, the praise for the Boutique could made the latter more popular and appealing among people looking for a jx-8p software clone (and wanting a scalable UI and VST3, and perhaps a "safer" bet)
PG-8X (2.0) released
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 960 posts since 27 Jun, 2009 from Germany
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- Banned
- 410 posts since 5 Feb, 2012
Do you mean might NOT be welcomed by Roland? If so, I'm not sure what legal standing Roland has. After all, TAL and Arturia have emulated Roland's Jupiter 8 and there are several companies that have emulated the Juno 60 and Juno 106.martin_l wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:33 am To be honest. I was planning for a long time to update the pg-8x (only did not have the time for it). But now I am getting more hesitant. Having the pg-8x plugin available while there was no alternative from Roland was one thing, but I am slightly nervous that now with the JX-8P officially available as VST from Roland, any further development on the free plugin might be welcome by Roland. So, I am not quite sure what to do...
Matrix-1000, MicroWave with Access programmer, MicroWave II, MKS-50 with MidiClub programmer, MKS-70, MKS-80 with Kiwi Patch Editor, Nord 2 Rack, Nord 3 Rack, Prophet REV2 module, Pulse 2, Shruthi, Virus TI
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- KVRist
- 248 posts since 11 May, 2006 from Warszawa
There are no legal restrictions on creating a clone as long as the trademarks, copyrights and patents are respected. The sound and feature set are not protected. I don't think the layout of the pg800 is either.martin_l wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:33 amTo be honest. I was planning for a long time to update the pg-8x (only did not have the time for it). But now I am getting more hesitant. Having the pg-8x plugin available while there was no alternative from Roland was one thing, but I am slightly nervous that now with the JX-8P officially available as VST from Roland, any further development on the free plugin might be welcome by Roland. So, I am not quite sure what to do...SebAV wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:19 pmSince the soft synth inside the Boutique is the same as the ZC jx8p model, the praise for the Boutique could made the latter more popular and appealing among people looking for a jx-8p software clone (and wanting a scalable UI and VST3, and perhaps a "safer" bet)
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michal.ochedowski michal.ochedowski https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=432708
- KVRist
- 107 posts since 31 Dec, 2018
I'm sure that sampling another artist, creating a track with it and releasing completely free wouldn't make a difference. It still could lead to potential trouble with copyright infringement. That's a cause for genuine concern.
But Martin didn't sample anything, wrote the code himself and used different name for the plugin. Even mentioning specific inspiration for creating the instrument doesn't make it a case in my opinion. I can't imagine anyone raising an issue based on these elements.
But Martin didn't sample anything, wrote the code himself and used different name for the plugin. Even mentioning specific inspiration for creating the instrument doesn't make it a case in my opinion. I can't imagine anyone raising an issue based on these elements.
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- KVRist
- 36 posts since 10 Mar, 2004
Martin, I use Reason Combinator to put together two PG-8x's with some pseudo effects to give it the MKS-70 combo sound. Since I own an MK-70 I hear so much similarity with your amazing VST. Thank you for doing what you did with PG-8x. My only request to your already perfect sound and design would be to make a dual version. a PG-70X!
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 11679 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
I'm no lawyer, but as pointed out, there are lots of Roland clones out there, some freeware, some commercial. Just don't make the GUI too close to the Roland hardware (you're already good there) and don't use any Roland trademarks (you're already good there) or copyrighted material (like including factory presets which you don't).martin_l wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:33 am To be honest. I was planning for a long time to update the pg-8x (only did not have the time for it). But now I am getting more hesitant. Having the pg-8x plugin available while there was no alternative from Roland was one thing, but I am slightly nervous that now with the JX-8P officially available as VST from Roland, any further development on the free plugin might be welcome by Roland. So, I am not quite sure what to do...
I think there's a lot of great reasons to update PG-8X as pointed out already. One, it's freeware! Thanks for that. Two, people seem to prefer the sound of it. Three, people will prefer the GUI. Four, you could look to expand it into an MKS-70 if you wanted, and there's no competing version of that. Five, people with a recent Mac would love you for a Mac version that runs on Apple Silicon just to keep it alive on their newer machines.
It's an excellent freebie and worth continuing IMO. Thanks for making it! Worst case, if you were planning on abandoning it, you could always look to open sourcing it. It may never get picked up by anyone, but you never know if the Surge guys or someone may take an interest.
- KVRAF
- 11095 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
There isn't a JX-8P officially available by Roland. What is available is a module for Zenology Pro, which isn't exactly the same thing.martin_l wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:33 am To be honest. I was planning for a long time to update the pg-8x (only did not have the time for it). But now I am getting more hesitant. Having the pg-8x plugin available while there was no alternative from Roland was one thing, but I am slightly nervous that now with the JX-8P officially available as VST from Roland, any further development on the free plugin might be welcome by Roland. So, I am not quite sure what to do...
Anyway, I can't see which law would you break by programming an emulation of a synth. If that was an issue, most programmers out there would be already out of business.
Fernando (FMR)
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- KVRist
- 114 posts since 8 Oct, 2016
yeah, i'd just love to see it compiled to run native for mac silicon. Maybe have a hi-dpi GUI as well. Oh, and get that weird issue with the AU sorted where presets or banks aren't lost on project reopening. otherwise, the guts of it are amazing.
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- KVRAF
- 2317 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA
There is no official Roland JX-8P VST, though.
I love your work and hope you continue with it, but personally I think this concern is both inaccurate (there's no such plugin; I do not count a Zenology Expansion as the same thing) and also not really an issue -- just look at TAL with their Jupiter 8 and Juno-60 and SH-101, etc , among many other companies doing Roland emulations.
- KVRAF
- 5828 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
As others have pointed out, you’re OK. All Roland could do is send you a cease and desist.martin_l wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:33 am To be honest. I was planning for a long time to update the pg-8x (only did not have the time for it). But now I am getting more hesitant. Having the pg-8x plugin available while there was no alternative from Roland was one thing, but I am slightly nervous that now with the JX-8P officially available as VST from Roland, any further development on the free plugin might be welcome by Roland. So, I am not quite sure what to do...
But if you don’t want to carry on development, you should look into selling your code to a commercial developer who has experience with this sort of thing, like Arturia.
That’s probably the last thing Roland would want to happen, so I doubt they would force your hand.
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- KVRer
- 2 posts since 2 Nov, 2021
Hi everyone,
I have been through this thread several times to find the solutions but still haven;t found the conclusive one. I run Ableton 10 Live on macOS Catalina and for some reason PG-8X just doesn't show up in my list of plugins. I have downloaded PG-8X 2.0 from Martin Luders Google site and put it in the VST folder where it's supposed to be.
Anyone knows how to fix this or is it just impossible to make it work? Your help is very much appreciated!
I have been through this thread several times to find the solutions but still haven;t found the conclusive one. I run Ableton 10 Live on macOS Catalina and for some reason PG-8X just doesn't show up in my list of plugins. I have downloaded PG-8X 2.0 from Martin Luders Google site and put it in the VST folder where it's supposed to be.
Anyone knows how to fix this or is it just impossible to make it work? Your help is very much appreciated!
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 960 posts since 27 Jun, 2009 from Germany
Unfortunately, I do no longer own a MAC on which I could develop the plugin for MAC users. Sorry that I cannot offer support for MAC at the moment.
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michal.ochedowski michal.ochedowski https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=432708
- KVRist
- 107 posts since 31 Dec, 2018
First thing I usually try in this type of situations is test the same plugin with another DAW. It happened to me (and surely I'm not alone in this) more than once. Certain VST would be available in 2 other programs, but not the one I was checking it in e.g. Ableton Live.Ominous83 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:18 am Hi everyone,
I have been through this thread several times to find the solutions but still haven;t found the conclusive one. I run Ableton 10 Live on macOS Catalina and for some reason PG-8X just doesn't show up in my list of plugins. I have downloaded PG-8X 2.0 from Martin Luders Google site and put it in the VST folder where it's supposed to be.
Anyone knows how to fix this or is it just impossible to make it work? Your help is very much appreciated!
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- KVRer
- 28 posts since 8 Feb, 2015
There's a plethora of Roland synth emulations, both free and pay, from various companies. All have knockoff names and have no issues. You're good there.martin_l wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:33 am To be honest. I was planning for a long time to update the pg-8x (only did not have the time for it). But now I am getting more hesitant. Having the pg-8x plugin available while there was no alternative from Roland was one thing, but I am slightly nervous that now with the JX-8P officially available as VST from Roland, any further development on the free plugin might be welcome by Roland. So, I am not quite sure what to do...
I have Roland Cloud, and the Zenology JX-8P module was a lackluster release. No support for syx patches. Plus it's missing at least a sync mode, I believe.
PG-8X is honestly my favorite synth plugin and I really hope to see it continued as you intended with your open source plans and scalable gui. To see it left behind would be devastating.
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In any case, thank you for all your hard work!