It's time for REASON 3 beta testing ...

[AD80]

for X to gain, Y must suffer.

Well apparently the Props agreed with me that X DID need to gain; because they went out and hired some more programmers. So hopefully they'll stop breaking records for slowest development soon.

[dexters lab]

This bastard better be a vst loader or i (and i'm sure many of you) will be damn well pissed off. Even god damn fruity loops let's you load vsti's. How god damn long will it take.

It will only happen when enough people wise up and stop buying it. And when the mags. stop hyping it up as the next best thing, which will never happen.

I say - good luck to them. Let them keep it free from VST - no skin off my nose. It's just sad to watch newcomers to computer music being taken in by "the whole rack of synths" that Reason offers, when they don't know that just about every other program is far more powerful, simply because they support VST.

If any other music program came out, that didn't support VST, this negative point would be made very clear in every review of it, and it would get severely marked down because of it. i.e. "Lack of VST support" would be in bold letters, in the 'Cons' section.

Funny how Reason can do no wrong. But if people still buy it, then I can't blame the Props. for not changing it that much.

Deggy - vote with your mouse. Use another, VST compatible, program. Tell the Props. where to shove Reason.

I can see it all now...
Reason 3 comes out: the mags. (particularly that bastion of computer knowledge, Computer Music) praise it and hype it beyond all recognition. Another hundred thousand newcomers to music catch onto this hype and buy it. They then defend it like it's some new god, and go apeshit anybody points out its little 'problems'.

And so the miserable cycle continues...

But hey - at least it will be 'stable', right! And that seems to be all that it will have going for it...

HEY,it sounds like you were talking about the "LE" version of PRO(sumer) TOOLS

[headquest]

Well, VST support wouldn't hurt, that's for sure...

The more I think this through, the more I think that VST support probably WOULD hurt.

As I said earler (? in this thread) I can run more than 30 devices in Reason without the CPU giving out. But 5 VST instruments/effects can cause real problems. There seems to be something in the VST department that makes them very CPU hungry, and probably the BEST thing about Reason is its efficiency.

I realise that for somebody purely reading a sheet full of specifications won't get that. But try out some real tests, and you'll find that Reason makes a lot of things possible that simply can't happen using VSTs (unless you have a host that has a freeze function... and constantly use it!)

It would definitely worry me that VST inclusion would damage Reason's efficiency beyond repair (not to mention its stability).

The other poit to reiterate is that Reason users tend to share files across the net. Using VSTs makes this a no-go area unless you happen to know that absolutely everyone else on the site has identical VSTs to you (like that's ever going to happen!)

[headquest]

In version 3 I want to see...............

1. Vsti Compatibility
2. Audio Recording Compatibility

If this could happen then I could stop pissing about with Cubase which is so CPU hungry and use my favourite music making tool to the full and get more inspiration


Artmuzz

Except that if Reason had this it would probably be just as CPU hungry as Cubase. That's the point.

[xylyx]

Well, VST support wouldn't hurt, that's for sure...

The more I think this through, the more I think that VST support probably WOULD hurt.

As I said earler (? in this thread) I can run more than 30 devices in Reason without the CPU giving out. But 5 VST instruments/effects can cause real problems. There seems to be something in the VST department that makes them very CPU hungry, and probably the BEST thing about Reason is its efficiency

It would definitely worry me that VST inclusion would damage Reason's efficiency beyond repair (not to mention its stability).

But why would this be an issue? If there was a VST module in the program, there is nothing forcing anyone to setup Reason to point to their VST folder or to ever insert the device into their rack. So for those who didn't want the extra [cpu] overhead or risk instability, they could carry on using Reason as they always have. For those who did want to take the risk/cpu hit, the feature would be greeted with open arms no doubt...

Anyway, I can't see the Props changing their stance and don't really care one way or the other...

[Warmonger]

Well, VST support wouldn't hurt, that's for sure...

The more I think this through, the more I think that VST support probably WOULD hurt.

As I said earler (? in this thread) I can run more than 30 devices in Reason without the CPU giving out. But 5 VST instruments/effects can cause real problems. There seems to be something in the VST department that makes them very CPU hungry, and probably the BEST thing about Reason is its efficiency.

I realise that for somebody purely reading a sheet full of specifications won't get that. But try out some real tests, and you'll find that Reason makes a lot of things possible that simply can't happen using VSTs (unless you have a host that has a freeze function... and constantly use it!)

It would definitely worry me that VST inclusion would damage Reason's efficiency beyond repair (not to mention its stability).

The other poit to reiterate is that Reason users tend to share files across the net. Using VSTs makes this a no-go area unless you happen to know that absolutely everyone else on the site has identical VSTs to you (like that's ever going to happen!)

If you don't use VSTs in Reason, then there should be no performance hit. You could still run the same 30 device song that you're using right now.

VST stability is a non-issue for virtually any VST I've used recently, but I have had more problems overall with VSTs than I've ever had with Reason.

I'm not saying that I want VST support in Reason, but the performance argument is meaningless. Anyway, I wouldn't really mind if any future version hosts VSTs, but I think there are other, more important features that could be added to Reason. I'd like a new synth (there really should be at least one new sound generating device, along with multiple effects units in R3, but who knows for sure?) much more than VST hosting.

[headquest]

I'm very pleased that they are adding the mastering device with compression and parametric EQ - this is an effects area where I think v2.5 is lacking. Probably my number one request - now answered

[Warmonger]

The Combinator actually covers one of my feature requests (device grouping). Now I have to wait to find out if certain functionality I wanted from it is present: show/hide cables only for the selected devices. With groups, it may be possible to add that feature. It's not the most significant request, but with complex routing chains involving a lot of cables, there needs to be some kind of cable management added to Reason. Otherwise, it's impossible to figure out what does what.

The new compressor and EQ were also often requested, so there's a couple more major features I can cross off the list. Let's hope that they are actually quality effects. There's no reason to think otherwise, but you never know...

[Artmuzz]

In version 3 I want to see...............

1. Vsti Compatibility
2. Audio Recording Compatibility

If this could happen then I could stop pissing about with Cubase which is so CPU hungry and use my favourite music making tool to the full and get more inspiration


Artmuzz

Except that if Reason had this it would probably be just as CPU hungry as Cubase. That's the point.

I know it just occured to me

Artmuzz

[gruberman]

Can't people read the product specs? If it doesn't say VST-support there's no support for that.

[meister eder]

The Combinator [...] with complex routing chains involving a lot of cables, there needs to be some kind of cable management added to Reason. Otherwise, it's impossible to figure out what does what.

From the screenshot of Combinator it looks like all the INs and OUTs of the combined devices can be set up in a Matrix on the front panel.

[GoaFruity]

Reason 3 , sounds nice!

[Warmonger]

That's fine, but that doesn't help to reduce clutter with some of the stuff I've done. For one pad, I split the audio out to multiple vocoders (for use as FFT-based crossover filters), hooked up some CV outputs to a CV merger, sent to a couple of splitters, all going to various effects CV inputs on the insert chain of each band, for a kind of spectral delay combined with panning (inspired by Izotope Spectron).

While the Combinator's mod matrix is nice for live playing and controlling multiple knobs at the same time, that's a bit different from what I've done before.

Wow, it sounds like I've been using Reason 3.0 for ages. Maybe I should just wait until the thing is released before I complain about what it can't do, but for the Combinator, it seems as though the SOS screenshot revealed all of the important features.

[Amberience]

but the performance argument is meaningless.

Really?? Well... I downloaded the SynthMaker beta and rendered the example synth to a VSTi.

Ableton Live kept crashing.

I had to delete the .dll before it would start working again.

One singular VSTi brought my rewire host to its knees... no the performance argument is not meaningless.

[GoaFruity]

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