Is Logic Pro The Perfect DAW Or Are There Things To Improve?

[machinesworking]

I'm specifically referring to shit that individual - Valli Software - has said very plainly in the music theory board, they struggle with knowing what chord so they assert a 'solution' to it by writing software, algorithms rule ok.

it's bullshit, and no one likes to be fitted into someone's argument as a strawman (that's a rant way past what the point of saying that is), that's way patronizing and took a shot where there isn't one to make. you can kiss my entire ass "people confused by the notion that not all music making requires an instrument". See if you can find out where a person is coming from or means - or what they've done, hey - rather than jump to your conclusion. That's not a sign of being more on top, jumping to conclusions is actually just stupid.

I went from being a classical performer - >40 yrs ago, jr - to majoring in tape music. and started making music before I could play much or anything, with tape. Splendid strawman argument

Holy crap dude, you're continuing some argument from another thread then getting irate when people don't follow your logic?? That's about as stupid as it gets. YOU'RE SCREAMING IN THIS THREAD, and no one here has any idea why?

Jesus sometimes I don't get the "internet logic" people have at all?

[machinesworking]

I was merely pointing out a popular feature which exists in Cubase and Studio One, the benefit of which is being able to prototype tunes with chords you come up with however you want. Having MIDI and audio snap to a chord track is a powerful compositional tool.

Funny - "purists" don't seem to have any issue with the Drummer, Flextime, Live Loops or quantization for that matter. Perhaps the answer is to go back to using reel to reel tape machines and ignore all the advances which have been made.

I hear you, I don't have any of those DAWs, and personally I don't compose like that, but maybe if I used Cubase and Studio One I might get a kick out of it.

Like arpeggiators I don't use them often, but I appreciate having them around when I do.

[legendCNCD]

Theres a lot in Logic that is really not perfect at all, tried the since 4.x versions, used 9 quite much but yeah... dont like it much. It does its job but was getting in the way of doing music too much, so much we changed to Live

[machinesworking]

Theres a lot in Logic that is really not perfect at all, tried the since 4.x versions, used 9 quite much but yeah... dont like it much. It does its job but was getting in the way of doing music too much, so much we changed to Live

To be fair, and because I used that combination of DAWs for a long time, Logic has a far more comprehensive set of key commands than Live, once you learn your preferred keyboard shortcuts in Logic you're navigating the interface much faster than you can in Live, especially if you edit MIDI. I to this day hate editing MIDI in Live compared to any other DAW. I never got along with folding the piano roll, so I'm always stretching the subwindow to full height..

There are dozens of ways Live is better, but the same is true in reverse as well, you're only getting maybe 75% of the plug ins you can get in Logic in Live, Live is a huge resource hog with its uninterrupted audio engine.

[ValliSoftware]

[pdxindy]

To be fair, and because I used that combination of DAWs for a long time, Logic has a far more comprehensive set of key commands than Live, once you learn your preferred keyboard shortcuts in Logic you're navigating the interface much faster than you can in Live, especially if you edit MIDI. I to this day hate editing MIDI in Live compared to any other DAW. I never got along with folding the piano roll, so I'm always stretching the subwindow to full height..

There are dozens of ways Live is better, but the same is true in reverse as well, you're only getting maybe 75% of the plug ins you can get in Logic in Live, Live is a huge resource hog with its uninterrupted audio engine.

Logic also has a bunch of functionality that Live doesn't have. Aliased Clips, Pattern Clips, Drummer, Flextime, Flexpitch, tempo mapping, Surround and new Dolby Atmos, auto-sampling, etc., etc.

The Step Sequencer is better than anything in Live and Live has nothing comparable to Alchemy.

[machinesworking]

To be fair, and because I used that combination of DAWs for a long time, Logic has a far more comprehensive set of key commands than Live, once you learn your preferred keyboard shortcuts in Logic you're navigating the interface much faster than you can in Live, especially if you edit MIDI. I to this day hate editing MIDI in Live compared to any other DAW. I never got along with folding the piano roll, so I'm always stretching the subwindow to full height..

There are dozens of ways Live is better, but the same is true in reverse as well, you're only getting maybe 75% of the plug ins you can get in Logic in Live, Live is a huge resource hog with its uninterrupted audio engine.

Logic also has a bunch of functionality that Live doesn't have. Aliased Clips, Pattern Clips, Drummer, Flextime, Flexpitch, tempo mapping, Surround and new Dolby Atmos, auto-sampling, etc., etc.

The Step Sequencer is better than anything in Live and Live has nothing comparable to Alchemy.

True but to bounce back at Lives strength, time stretching in Live is just far superior to Logic in pretty much every way. Live has great super quick audio manipulation capabilities, and Clips in Live (and Bitwig) are at a much higher level than Logic (or DP for that matter), plus the bussing it Live is as straightforward as it gets, almost total WYSIWYG, and it's pretty complete.

One thing that clips in Logic finally gives it is modulation repeats, i.e. clip modulation you can shape yourself that you can send to another track without past repeating the whole thing. IMO of course but Logic or DP and Live or Bitwig are a great combination of DAWs that give you some range of 95% or more of the functions of all the DAWs at a high level.

[sQeetz]

I would like Logic 10.7.1 to just not vanish on me so often. That would be nice.
If I weren't using Renoise mainly lastly, I would really be pissed

[legendCNCD]

Theres a lot in Logic that is really not perfect at all, tried the since 4.x versions, used 9 quite much but yeah... dont like it much. It does its job but was getting in the way of doing music too much, so much we changed to Live

To be fair, and because I used that combination of DAWs for a long time, Logic has a far more comprehensive set of key commands than Live, once you learn your preferred keyboard shortcuts in Logic you're navigating the interface much faster than you can in Live, especially if you edit MIDI. I to this day hate editing MIDI in Live compared to any other DAW. I never got along with folding the piano roll, so I'm always stretching the subwindow to full height..

There are dozens of ways Live is better, but the same is true in reverse as well, you're only getting maybe 75% of the plug ins you can get in Logic in Live, Live is a huge resource hog with its uninterrupted audio engine.

Sure if I had a mac I probably would have learnt, but as co-op producer I struggled with it, and in the end we both agreed Live is actually better/faster to make music as in input stuff in. I never much cared for most of Logic plugins tbh. A couple of interesting ones but thats it.
Also I felt Logic was the most shaky DAW I've used, crashes/errors quite often and very very bad problems with automation from time to time. The sound engine is slow to start too... or was, I dunno the later ones.
Before I used Cubase SX (and Reason, and before that, Trackers etc.) but compared to that, Live is better to actually make music, not to fight against the DAW which I felt with Cubase and Logic Just my 2 cents and how I like it, fast access to actually inputting the notes.

[oneway]

Sure if I had a mac I probably would have learnt, but as co-op producer I struggled with it, and in the end we both agreed Live is actually better/faster to make music as in input stuff in.

It’s interesting you mention this. I agree, Live always had a certain immediacy at the very beginning of a song that is hard to get in other DAWs. The only problem is the note entry is such a small part of my work- after the first hour more of it could be classified as editing and overdubbing at which point, for me personally, the benefits of other DAWs started to overtake it.

very very bad problems with automation from time to time. The sound engine is slow to start too...

They did fix a lot of automation issues in 10.6.3. As for the sound engine they do a little more pre-buffering than other DAWs when cycle/loop mode is engaged. Paired with the low latency of Ableton’s stock effects, this probably contributes to Live feeling more immediate in some ways.

[apoclypse]

Sure if I had a mac I probably would have learnt, but as co-op producer I struggled with it, and in the end we both agreed Live is actually better/faster to make music as in input stuff in.

It’s interesting you mention this. I agree, Live always had a certain immediacy at the very beginning of a song that is hard to get in other DAWs. The only problem is the note entry is such a small part of my work- after the first hour more of it could be classified as editing and overdubbing at which point, for me personally, the benefits of other DAWs started to overtake it.

very very bad problems with automation from time to time. The sound engine is slow to start too...

They did fix a lot of automation issues in 10.6.3. As for the sound engine they do a little more pre-buffering than other DAWs when cycle/loop mode is engaged. Paired with the low latency of Ableton’s stock effects, this probably contributes to Live feeling more immediate in some ways.

I think pretty much this. Once you get past the song making part and go into actual production that's where I find Live is wanting imo. Though Ableton has done a lot of work (especially with 11) to mitigate that a bit. Logic has more setup initially, but once you get into the actual production its pretty complete as a tool.

I still hate Ableton's arrange view, its so clunky to use imo. But that's just my opinion. Some people love working in Ableton's arrange view.

[aMUSEd]

Yes

[jonljacobi]

Perfect for what and for whom? It’s fantastic but I still switched to Live which I find a better fit. Still use Logic on occasion, mostly for grabbing samples from virtual instruments.

[pdxindy]

I think pretty much this. Once you get past the song making part and go into actual production that's where I find Live is wanting imo. Though Ableton has done a lot of work (especially with 11) to mitigate that a bit. Logic has more setup initially, but once you get into the actual production its pretty complete as a tool.

I still hate Ableton's arrange view, its so clunky to use imo. But that's just my opinion. Some people love working in Ableton's arrange view.

It also depends on what you mean by song making...

I often am recording without a metronome and Logic is solid with its tempo mapping. Live has no such facility. Then I can take that piece I played and add a Drummer track and it does a good job of putting a suitable beat that relates to my original playing. Live also has nothing like the Logic Drummer. Then I decide to add some vocals and want to do a bit of pitch correction in a few spots, that is easy in Logic. Live doesn't have that built-in. And then I want to take a preset on one of my analog mono-synths and sample it across a keyboard range and make a poly patch from it, Logic does that automatically. Live? nothing like it.

So for this set of tasks, Logic is 10 times faster than Live cause Live has none of that functionality and it all has to be done manually.

[pdxindy]

I think pretty much this. Once you get past the song making part and go into actual production that's where I find Live is wanting imo. Though Ableton has done a lot of work (especially with 11) to mitigate that a bit. Logic has more setup initially, but once you get into the actual production its pretty complete as a tool.

I still hate Ableton's arrange view, its so clunky to use imo. But that's just my opinion. Some people love working in Ableton's arrange view.

It also depends on what you mean by song making...

I often am recording without a metronome and Logic is solid with its Smart Tempo - tempo mapping. Live has no such facility. Then I can take that piece I played and add a Drummer track and it does a good job of putting a suitable beat that relates to my original playing. Live also has nothing like the Logic Drummer. Then I decide to add some vocals and want to do a bit of pitch correction in a few spots, that is easy in Logic. Live doesn't have that built-in. And then I want to take a preset on one of my analog mono-synths and sample it across a keyboard range and make a poly patch from it, Logic does that automatically. Live that is a manual job.

So for this set of tasks, Logic is 10 times faster than Live cause Live has none of that functionality and it has to be done manually.