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sinemotor · Post by **sinemotor** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:30 pm

Chrisk-K wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:05 am Why does Zenology Pro load so slowly whereas legendary instruments load instantaneously? I am using Logic on an M1 Mac.

Indeed. When you load the first instance of the plugin in the DAW you get the spinning wheel for a good 20sec. It's terrible and consequently I have to think twice before loading it. A shame because Zenology Pro is such a great package with all the versatile (and iconic) sounds that Roland is known for.

Chrisk-K · Post by **Chrisk-K** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:06 am

I'd understand the long load time of Zen Pro if RC had to authorize it. However, RC authentication is done once in 30 days nowadays. There is no reason for Zen Pro to take this much time to load when there's no need for authentication. All my other soft instruments load in a blink of an eye, and I have a lot of instruments.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:23 am

Chrisk-K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:06 am I'd understand the long load time of Zen Pro if RC had to authorize it. However, RC authentication is done once in 30 days nowadays. There is no reason for Zen Pro to take this much time to load when there's no need for authentication. All my other soft instruments load in a blink of an eye, and I have a lot of instruments.

I would say that's because it is loading samples into RAM. Don't know if that's the case because I hardly use it.

Chrisk-K · Post by **Chrisk-K** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:09 pm

fmr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:23 am
Chrisk-K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:06 am I'd understand the long load time of Zen Pro if RC had to authorize it. However, RC authentication is done once in 30 days nowadays. There is no reason for Zen Pro to take this much time to load when there's no need for authentication. All my other soft instruments load in a blink of an eye, and I have a lot of instruments.
I would say that's because it is loading samples into RAM. Don't know if that's the case because I hardly use it.

I don't think that's the reason. The total sample size of Zenology including all the EXZ expansions is a small fraction of that of, say, Garritan CFX, which loads much, much faster than Zenology on my M1 Mac.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Chrisk-K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:09 pmI don't think that's the reason. The total sample size of Zenology including all the EXZ expansions is a small fraction of that of, say, Garritan CFX, which loads much, much faster than Zenology on my M1 Mac.

Yeah, you're right. It's too long (of a delay) for that to be the reason. What it could be doing is verifying that you're authorized to use each and every expansion, and preset pack, before it finally opens.

I don't know when I first mentioned this, but it must've been about a year ago now. The delay is big enough that this part of the code should be considered broken by Roland.. Unless the goal is to put people off using the software because it takes so long to complete launching..

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:02 pm

It takes my system 20 secs to open Zenology, 13 secs to open Kontakt. If you’re about to play around for a couple of hours is it that big a deal?

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PAK · Post by **PAK** » Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:52 pm

WatchTheGuitar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:02 pm It takes my system 20 secs to open Zenology, 13 secs to open Kontakt. If you’re about to play around for a couple of hours is it that big a deal?

I know it's meant to replicate a workstation keyboard, but maybe replicating the boot time is taking it a bit too far?

If every plugin took that long to launch it'd create a not-so-good experience, so I don't think it's something Roland should get to ignore. Eventually, some portion of users will lean towards alternatives simply because they don't take so long to launch. I think the longest it's kept me waiting might be upwards of 30 secs.. (And Cubase is programmed such that it's "locked up" that entire time.. )

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:08 am

I experience long loading times with all Arturia products. Arturia have told me that this is directly related to the amount of presets. Something they hope to fix at some point. You can bet that my Arturia products are the least used.

Gadget Fiend · Post by **Gadget Fiend** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:46 am

I cancelled my Roland Cloud subscription because I kept getting too many "you are not connected to "Roland Cloud" messages. These were happening FAR more frequently than every 30 days. In fact I was unable to use my Roland Cloud plugins every other day. I tried logging in and out of my account (starting with the log out option without Roland Cloud Manager and then logging back into the browser website (which is in and of itself an insane way of doing things).

I like Zenology Pro and especially that I have access to all the XV-5080 expansion sets if I am willing to pay $20 per expansion. But this ongoing online "check-in" nonsense (when all I want to do is buy lifetime licenses for the plugins) is a MAJOR turn off.

I'm not coming back.

Chrisk-K · Post by **Chrisk-K** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:33 pm

Roland says the slow loading time of ZENOLOGY is due to the fact that all the presets need to be loaded. I understand. However, Arturia's Analog Lab, which has way more presets than ZENOLOGY, loads in less than 5 seconds on my M1 Mac. Fortunately, I haven't had connections/authorization issues, so overall I'm happy with RC.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:37 pm

Chrisk-K wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:33 pm Roland says the slow loading time of ZENOLOGY is due to the fact that all the presets need to be loaded. I understand. However, Arturia's Analog Lab, which has way more presets than ZENOLOGY, loads in less than 5 seconds on my M1 Mac. Fortunately, I haven't had connections/authorization issues, so overall I'm happy with RC.

Yeah. Overall (on the positive side) once loaded Zenology is not sluggish in use - the preset switching tends to be much smoother, than something like HALion, for example, and it doesn't skip a beat as it switches between the various models. This bit of the code is actually very well done by Roland.

Likewise, GUI recall time (closing the instrument window, then re-opening it) generally takes under 2 seconds - where many similar instruments (EG Korg's Triton) can take much longer to bring their GUI back.

But, as you correctly say, there's other intruments with as many (or more) presets which don't have those sorts of initial launch times. So hopefully they'll figure out how to improve it at some point..

km15616 · Post by **km15616** » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:27 am

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gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:13 am

It's 'Roland' not 'ROLAND'

km15616 · Post by **km15616** » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:25 am

For real people AVOID ROLAND PLUGINS like the plague. Money is much better spent going with Arturia or Korg plugins. Literally any analog emulations that make sound are better than Roland.

I'm assuming that is a weak attempt at trolling. ROLAND is the same as Roland.But incase you are not that bright, I intentionally capitalized my whole post to convey frustration/shouting. You can grammatically capitalize a word, sentence or name to add emphasis or to convey shouting. That is an actual literary style/voice. Adding a link is pointless at this time. Don't have time for this though, MUTE.