You guys are FAR too concerned about technical excellence!!!

[SuitcaseOfLizards]

Seriously, there is a point at which obsession over microscopic details that provide no audible improvement discernable by any but the most critical listener in the most pristine and optimized environment becomes a negative influence on the music.. it's to lose track of the soul of a tune while creating a "technical perfection" that is only appreciated by, perhaps, 2% of the listening public.

To use the builder analogy: let's say that the builder was spending his time tweaking a corner of a piece of lath that was strictly decorative, but before he finishes the major roof repair.. and it rains. That corner looks nice but your house is flooded.

It's a case of proper allocation of resources and time. You can have pride in craftmanship without becoming an obsessed anal-retentive nutcase that wants "perfection" (whatever THAT is).

Rant over.

[donkey tugger]

Indeed! It is nice to get something sounding good and stuff, but at the end of the day, tis all about the song and not xy -zp db of eq shelving at 1356khz with a convolution slapper reverb 192khz megabitflop.

[Kriminal]

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you guys are FAR too concerned about technical excellence!!!


I find the only ones far too concerned about it are usually the ones who never post trax

yes krim.

not only that, but whatever happened to pride in whatever you're doing? or the desire to do as good a job as possible?


what would you say if a builder came to repair your house but did a sloppy job because it's not hip to try to do it properly?

Perhaps you missunderstood...

i meant its usually the gobby c**ts who can spout all day about blah blah blah but never actually write music

[vurt]

basically i use the net as my school i guess
ive only ever actually finished about 12 tracks
the rest is just experiments tryna find how to do this that or the other.
not my fault people like listening to my noodles

[mauseoleum]

sure, but there's also *paying customer* pov. I once recorded over 40 8-bar bass loops for a mix that was in works so there would be option to later find ones that *fit best* - I knew how to set regions and loop record in pt so eingineer could have a break and not having to listen to repetitions. destroying soul v.s. getting payed ...

[SuitcaseOfLizards]

sure, but there's also *paying customer* pov. I once recorded over 40 8-bar bass loops for a mix that was in works so there would be option to later find ones that *fit best* - I knew how to set regions and loop record in pt so eingineer could have a break and not having to listen to repetitions. destroying soul v.s. getting payed ...

If you're getting paid to do something, all bets are off - it's the customers problem to determine what's "good enough" at that stage and (from what I hear) you're lucky if you have any input. If the customer wants to pay good hard cash to polish a turd.. so be it!

[Glassback]

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you guys are FAR too concerned about technical excellence!!!


I find the only ones far too concerned about it are usually the ones who never post trax

yes krim.

not only that, but whatever happened to pride in whatever you're doing? or the desire to do as good a job as possible?


what would you say if a builder came to repair your house but did a sloppy job because it's not hip to try to do it properly?

Perhaps you missunderstood...

i meant its usually the gobby c**ts who can spout all day about blah blah blah but never actually write music

no, i didn't misunderstand - i agree with you. that's why i said yes, not no.
(the rest of my post was about the 'too technical' thing, not a ref to your comment )


@ woolyloach. i know some stupid builders, but i've yet to meet one who'll fit the cornices and skirtings before the roof.
my point was - there's nothing wrong with doing as good a job as your abilities will allow.
nothing to do with being anal or whatever. would you prefer to listen to a cd or a tenth generation cassette copy?
sorry, i'll quit with the bloody annoying analogy's now.

[visa tapani]

Seriously, there is a point at which obsession over microscopic details that provide no audible improvement discernable by any but the most critical listener in the most pristine and optimized environment becomes a negative influence on the music.. it's to lose track of the soul of a tune while creating a "technical perfection" that is only appreciated by, perhaps, 2% of the listening public.

Maybe so, but frankly speaking I haven't encountered any of this attitude/problem in here (or actually much anywhere, to be precise...) It seems like a mostly hypothetical argument to me, actually...

[xg2]

Seriously, there is a point at which obsession over microscopic details that provide no audible improvement discernable by any but the most critical listener in the most pristine and optimized environment becomes a negative influence on the music.. it's to lose track of the soul of a tune while creating a "technical perfection" that is only appreciated by, perhaps, 2% of the listening public.

How I agree!
You can blame the mags. for all of this - they need to keep selling something 'better', even though the improvements are totally inaudible.

[original flipper]

HI

Come on 'visa tapani' I just posted an 'IMO' thought about Ultra Analogue earlier and some one started to question my knowledge about 'Analogue' sound and what analogue equipment I had owned because he thought that UA was the one of the best sounding emu's of an analogue synth to date.

This is the trivial level that many people operate at - all power to them if they are 'Anal' about that shit (forgive the pun) but to me this is an example of obsession.

Anyway I am busy trying to get RMX to work - and I don't give a f**k how realistic the drums sound !

Flipper.

[Bonteburg]

I find the only ones far too concerned about it are usually the ones who never post trax

That's essentially me
except for the posting crap bit..

I spend hours on a beat only to find I don't have a tune, the life cycle of a track chéz moi....


Marco

[Spe3D]

How I agree!
You can blame the mags. for all of this - they need to keep selling something 'better', even though the improvements are totally inaudible.

mags again

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

[visa tapani]

This is the trivial level that many people operate at - all power to them if they are 'Anal' about that shit (forgive the pun) but to me this is an example of obsession.

Yeah, I guesss I kinda agree... But being obsessively selective or something about the tools one decides to use is a bit different than clutching to trivialities when creating music.

Also, I mainly listen to and create music where the sound and composition are completely inseparable, so someone would need to go quite far into intricate editing before I would agree it's trivial. But yeah I guess it does happen... it's just that I myself haven't personally encountered something like this very often.

But I do absolutely disagree with the idea that spending great deal of time to get the mix and sounds right is somehow secondary. In for instance electronic dance music the sounds themselves and how they are mixed is massively important for even the emotional impact of the music...

[Glassback]

I agree with visa tapani, fwiw.
Being largely self-taught and never actually having achieved 'the sound' I would like, if I hadn't strived to better my knowledge and skills I'd probably still be using Bars And Pipes or making completely bland tunes with no imagination.
Well, actually, scrap that second bit.

[EJo]

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