Synapse Audio - Dune 3.5 Released

[HTT]

Nah it's easy...if you put in a little effort. I'm an idiot and I can do it so.....

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You seem to be assuming that effort into sound design is better spent than effort into song/tune design. Not everyone sees it that way. I don't need or want to reinvent my Stratocaster. Why should all electronic music song writers create their own patches from scratch or, even more originally/creatively, invent our own soft synths? Different paths...

[zerocrossing]

Nah it's easy...if you put in a little effort. I'm an idiot and I can do it so.....

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You seem to be assuming that effort into sound design is better spent than effort into song/tune design. Not everyone sees it that way. I don't need or want to reinvent my Stratocaster. Why should all electronic music song writers create their own patches from scratch or, even more originally/creatively, invent our own soft synths? Different paths...

True, but a good amount of knowledge can make things easier. Like knowing exactly how to take that “almost” factory preset and make it perfect.

[Teksonik]

Nah it's easy...if you put in a little effort. I'm an idiot and I can do it so.....

You seem to be assuming that effort into sound design is better spent than effort into song/tune design. Not everyone sees it that way. I don't need or want to reinvent my Stratocaster. Why should all electronic music song writers create their own patches from scratch or, even more originally/creatively, invent our own soft synths? Different paths...

You seem to be assuming that hitting a little randomize button hoping some useful result with occur is time better spent than learning your instrument and your craft.

Why should all electronic music song writers create their own patches from scratch?

Oh I don't know maybe to inject some originality into the sounds they use in their songs? Now don't get me wrong I'll use other people's presets on occasion if I find them inspiring but I always reach for my own first since obviously they are going to be the ones that fit my style, wants, and needs.

But as mentioned above even using someone else's presets you'll benefit from knowing how to tweak them to fit your track better.

Take your Stratocaster. Does everyone who owns a Strat use the same FX chain and Amp? Why not? So they can sculpt a signature sound. Not everyone wants to sound exactly like the other guy.

I know a lot of people just want "easy" these days but some effort is required to create anything. There is a satisfaction of putting in the work, starting with nothing and ending up with something. Hitting a button and leaving it up to chance to create something for you might be easy but it yields no satisfaction for me. Adding some sound design skills to your box of tools can only help you with "song/tune design".

Like I said it can be very satisfying to create your own sounds and I find it a great deal of fun as well. It's not hard it just requires some effort just like any task worth doing.

So as someone who can make their own patches I'd much rather precious development time be spent on features and functions that actually expand the range of sounds a synth can make than time be spent on features of convenience that don't add anything to a synth sound wise.

But as I've said many times before Synapse will do what they think is best so maybe people will get their "easy" button.

[DJ Warmonger]

Just saw it yesterday, new plugin browser is very nice

[4damind]

I'm getting lower CPU usage with multithreading enabled (default) on my new MBP 14" M1 Pro chip. BUT, I've noticed some random spikes that seem to go away with MT off. So, MT off seems to be the better option in my case.

That''s interesting, has anyone tested this on Windows? For me Dune never worked with multithreading, I also had randome spikes and crackles on Windows and have had it disabled since (but I have not tested it with Dune 3.5).
It seems to be a general problem with the implementation of multithreading of Dune if it also causes problems on the Mac M1.

[machine_spirit]

Has anything changed in the multithreading area? Or asked differently, does MT make sense at all with Dune and does someone use it successfully under Windows (on the Mac it looks possibly different)?

Seems to work fine for me (W10, MOTU M2, ableton live). The manual mentions multithreading is disabled with buffer sizes under 128 so keep that in mind.

Oh I don't know maybe to inject some originality into the sounds they use in their songs? Now don't get me wrong I'll use other people's presets on occasion if I find them inspiring but I always reach for my own first since obviously they are going to be the ones that fit my style, wants, and needs.

But as I've said many times before Synapse will do what they think is best so maybe people will get their "easy" button.

You're being way too agitated about this, he's just saying that other people might prioritize other things, in which case presets are incredibly useful, and blank slates aren't. Going by how different one music genre can be from another, it's obvious that people listen to or focus on different things in the sound. No doubt this affects workflow in the musicians themselves.

[zerocrossing]

Nah it's easy...if you put in a little effort. I'm an idiot and I can do it so.....

You seem to be assuming that effort into sound design is better spent than effort into song/tune design. Not everyone sees it that way. I don't need or want to reinvent my Stratocaster. Why should all electronic music song writers create their own patches from scratch or, even more originally/creatively, invent our own soft synths? Different paths...

You seem to be assuming that hitting a little randomize button hoping some useful result with occur is time better spent than learning your instrument and your craft.

Why should all electronic music song writers create their own patches from scratch?

Oh I don't know maybe to inject some originality into the sounds they use in their songs? Now don't get me wrong I'll use other people's presets on occasion if I find them inspiring but I always reach for my own first since obviously they are going to be the ones that fit my style, wants, and needs.

But as mentioned above even using someone else's presets you'll benefit from knowing how to tweak them to fit your track better.

Take your Stratocaster. Does everyone who owns a Strat use the same FX chain and Amp? Why not? So they can sculpt a signature sound. Not everyone wants to sound exactly like the other guy.

I know a lot of people just want "easy" these days but some effort is required to create anything. There is a satisfaction of putting in the work, starting with nothing and ending up with something. Hitting a button and leaving it up to chance to create something for you might be easy but it yields no satisfaction for me. Adding some sound design skills to your box of tools can only help you with "song/tune design".

Like I said it can be very satisfying to create your own sounds and I find it a great deal of fun as well. It's not hard it just requires some effort just like any task worth doing.

So as someone who can make their own patches I'd much rather precious development time be spent on features and functions that actually expand the range of sounds a synth can make than time be spent on features of convenience that don't add anything to a synth sound wise.

But as I've said many times before Synapse will do what they think is best so maybe people will get their "easy" button.

Actually, as a former retail music salesperson, I can assure you that a lot of guitarists, and keyboard players, do indeed “want to sound exactly like the other guy.” Usually someone famous. I can’t even count how many times someone came in looking to get the same guitar (often a special artist Ed.) pedals, etc, as their hero. Hell, my first decent guitar was me buying a Rick 320 and Vox Buckingham, hoping to get some of that early Beatles magic. (Missed it by a mile. )

Of course, after a few years I realized that those things didn’t suit me, and I put together a unique setup, and over the years honed and modified it as I evolved.

But I’m with you on the random thing. Cute, but usually worthless. Better to buy some good presets. Melda plugins have the best implementation of random, as they allow one to pick a random preset or specifically randomize a part of the sound, like only the oscillators.

[Teksonik]

Actually, as a former retail music salesperson, I can assure you that a lot of guitarists, and keyboard players, do indeed “want to sound exactly like the other guy.” Usually someone famous. I can’t even count how many times someone came in looking to get the same guitar (often a special artist Ed.) pedals, etc, as their hero. Hell, my first decent guitar was me buying a Rick 320 and Vox Buckingham, hoping to get some of that early Beatles magic. (Missed it by a mile. )

As a former retail music salesperson I can say you're right to an extent. If someone is in a cover band sure they want to sound like the guitar player in the song they are covering.

But I'm not sure how many people here a looking to be in cover bands.....

[vurt]

has everyone here over 40 worked in music retail at some point?
i wasn't very good, didn't last long. the whole "getting up in the morning" just didn't work with me.

[vurt]

the age bit is because we had more music stores around to work in.

[Teksonik]

But I’m with you on the random thing. Cute, but usually worthless. Better to buy some good presets. Melda plugins have the best implementation of random, as they allow one to pick a random preset or specifically randomize a part of the sound, like only the oscillators.

I'm with you 100%. If Synapse was a dozen coders banging away writing code all day then certainly any feature could be on the table but since it's only Rich and Marcin there's only so much time in the day to add new features so I think "cute" has to be a pretty low priority.

I don't know how much time it would take to create a full randomize feature for DUNE3 but in the end it's not going to make the synth sound any different. It's not going to add filters or enhance the FM Osc or bring multi-sample import etc.

But again maybe Synapse will add a randomize feature but it won't keep me from thinking that development time would be better spent expanding the synth to benefit everybody.

[vurt]

multi sample would be nice for sure

[Teksonik]

has everyone here over 40 worked in music retail at some point?
i wasn't very good, didn't last long. the whole "getting up in the morning" just didn't work with me.

I think a lot of us here of a certain age have worked in music stores....when they had a lot of music stores.

I may not have been salesman of the month back in those days but every time I walk into a Guitar Center or Sam Ash these days I'm pretty convinced I could make make employee of the year without much effort.

[Teksonik]

multi sample would be nice for sure

Yes I've been begging for it for years but as was explained by Richard again in this thread it's not going to happen. I understand why and have accepted it but that doesn't quell my lust.

The Zampler Osc in DUNE 3 would expand the range of sounds it could make by an order of magnitude.

So now I'm begging for a "Super Zampler". Every time I see the Gigs and Gigs of sample content available for the free Zampler plugin I can't help but think how awesome it would be if DUNE 3 and Zampler had a child.......

[vurt]

has everyone here over 40 worked in music retail at some point?
i wasn't very good, didn't last long. the whole "getting up in the morning" just didn't work with me.

I think a lot of us here of a certain age have worked in music stores....when they had a lot of music stores.

yeah, i live in a very small town, when i was a kid there were 3 stores here, one was mainly pianos and large acoustic stuff (cellos, tubas...) the other two were guitars!!! one having a couple of synths. plus two market stalls for strings and stuff.

now, not one.