Saturation Tools for 2021

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Unaspected
KVRAF
2323 posts since 4 May, 2012

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:03 am

NinjaToon wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:45 am
Unaspected wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:19 am
NinjaToon wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:43 am
LFO8 wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:14 am
What you describe (only 1-2% range) is a matter of gain staging.
Please explain? I follow best practice with GS always have but I still don't understand what you mean.
I was going to say the same.

If you lower your input then the following gain stage will have more range.
I guess I'm not in the habit of inserting gain adjustment between processors on a master bus. I would set it early then adjust it at the end if needs must and if I do I never find any travel on BB but I would for Kelvin at the same RMS (hottest mixbus for me would be -16-14 at the most).

I guess it's true that I could drop it down to sub -20 to find more travel tho but that's fiddlyness I generally wouldn't pursue, especially when I don't have to do that for any other saturator in my experience. I just don't think there's enough usable travel on BB. Like there is no way you would go to one o clock or beyond on BB right?
You can go beyond one o clock, depending on the input signal and desired result. For cleaner warmth and improved resolution, drop the input gain in the plugin. If that isn't enough you could either drop the output of the processor before it or insert a gain stage there to attenuate the level going into HG-2.

There are plenty of plugins that benefit from correct gain staging, HG-2 is not an exception.

NinjaToon
KVRist
60 posts since 28 Sep, 2021

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:14 am

Unaspected wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:03 am
NinjaToon wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:45 am
Unaspected wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:19 am
NinjaToon wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:43 am
LFO8 wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:14 am
What you describe (only 1-2% range) is a matter of gain staging.
Please explain? I follow best practice with GS always have but I still don't understand what you mean.
I was going to say the same.

If you lower your input then the following gain stage will have more range.
I guess I'm not in the habit of inserting gain adjustment between processors on a master bus. I would set it early then adjust it at the end if needs must and if I do I never find any travel on BB but I would for Kelvin at the same RMS (hottest mixbus for me would be -16-14 at the most).

I guess it's true that I could drop it down to sub -20 to find more travel tho but that's fiddlyness I generally wouldn't pursue, especially when I don't have to do that for any other saturator in my experience. I just don't think there's enough usable travel on BB. Like there is no way you would go to one o clock or beyond on BB right?
You can go beyond one o clock, depending on the input signal and desired result. For cleaner warmth and improved resolution, drop the input gain in the plugin. If that isn't enough you could either drop the output of the processor before it or insert a gain stage there to attenuate the level going into HG-2.

There are plenty of plugins that benefit from correct gain staging, HG-2 is not an exception.
I don't think my gainstaging is the issue tho. I wonder if BB bothers anyone else in this regard?

Put BB on, nudge the dial. That's it. Toast don't burn.

PSP saturator is another I've been using lately and that is fine on the Master bus for usable travel at -20 to -16 rms. Obviously I'm not asking for the full knob range on every plugin but more than nudge range would be an improvement.

Anyway I'm too lazy to fiddle with inserting gain adjustments between processors. Consistently aiming for -18 should be enough, mix fast die young.
Last edited by NinjaToon on Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:33 am, edited 1 time in total.

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LFO8
KVRian
646 posts since 21 Jul, 2012

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:52 am

BB has an input knob on it.

NinjaToon
KVRist
60 posts since 28 Sep, 2021

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:06 am

LFO8 wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:52 am
BB has an input knob on it.
Fair enough. :tu:

Mind Riot
KVRist
186 posts since 3 Aug, 2014

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:44 pm

https://youtu.be/Z6aIuoVpMT0

https://youtu.be/UXjApQhAnkc

Did these just blow right by everybody? I'm the only one who listened to these for more than a few seconds?

Listen to this man sing.

Bravo, is all I can say. Bravo. :clap:

Oh, you can skip forward to 0:34 on the second one to bypass him talking about the plugin.

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multree
AcousticHippie
4476 posts since 12 Mar, 2003

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:52 am

Mind Riot wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:44 pm

https://youtu.be/UXjApQhAnkc

Listen to this man sing.

Bravo, is all I can say. Bravo. :clap:
what the hell did I just listen to? must be the virus....

Ploki
KVRAF
5242 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:58 am

i skipped because the music is not my cup of tea but thanks for bringing it to attention. judging by the singing it appears like this could be a fun guy to hang around with
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legendCNCD
KVRian
1229 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:50 am

Kush.
Soft Knees - Demoscene - Live 10 - Diva - Omnisphere - Slate Digital VSX - TDR - Kush Audio - Fabfilter - PA - Valhalla - Fuse - Pulsar - NI - OekSound etc...

NinjaToon
KVRist
60 posts since 28 Sep, 2021

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:38 am

The moment you realize that wasn't satire... :help:

JerGoertz
KVRAF
3531 posts since 20 Feb, 2004

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:13 am

NinjaToon wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:38 am
The moment you realize that wasn't satire... :help:
But nonetheless brilliant comedy. :hihi:
A well-behaved signature.

AndrewMaze
KVRer
7 posts since 19 Mar, 2020

Post Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:21 am

Not sure if it's been mentioned but Klevgrand LUXE (which is also compression, but still, it is GREAT and simple). Plus Voxengo VariSaturator, I use it on every mix.

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TheMaestro
KVRist
388 posts since 26 Jan, 2020

Post Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:27 pm

Not classified as a saturator, but Autoformer gives me grit, punch, and a subtle little something. Depending on how you dial it in.
I got it free with a Pluginboutique purchase.
If the Earth was flat, cats would have pushed everything off the edge a long time ago.

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Aloysius
KVRAF
35318 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from another dimension

Post Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:30 pm

Plugin Alliance actually updated something.
Great news for fans of the Black Box HG-2MS and those of you looking for a great saturator plugin: we have just released a new and improved version (V1.1.1)

The following bugs have been fixed in this new version:

Saturation Solo causes popping sounds when activating and deactivating.
Clicking sounds at the start of audio clips.

To install this updated version:

Launch our Installation Manager
Locate and select the Black Box HG-2MS,
Choose your format
Click on 'Download & Install'.

The new version will automatically replace the previous version. Should you encounter any issues, don't hesitate to get in touch with our customer support. We hope you enjoy this update!
Hi-de-Hi!

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multree
AcousticHippie
4476 posts since 12 Mar, 2003

Post Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:05 pm

AndrewMaze wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:21 am
Klevgrand LUXE (which is also compression, but still, it is GREAT and simple)
indeed, tried it and liked it

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aMUSEd
KVRAF
33075 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Post Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:47 pm

Aloysius wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:30 pm
Plugin Alliance actually updated something.
Great news for fans of the Black Box HG-2MS and those of you looking for a great saturator plugin: we have just released a new and improved version (V1.1.1)

The following bugs have been fixed in this new version:

Saturation Solo causes popping sounds when activating and deactivating.
Clicking sounds at the start of audio clips.

To install this updated version:

Launch our Installation Manager
Locate and select the Black Box HG-2MS,
Choose your format
Click on 'Download & Install'.

The new version will automatically replace the previous version. Should you encounter any issues, don't hesitate to get in touch with our customer support. We hope you enjoy this update!
Would be great if their manager app actually let you know when something is updated - really hard to know what is uptodate and what isn't from PA.

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