I use Nuendo...
Doesn't automatically make you a fuckwit though.
Nuendo 3 - now only $2499!
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- KVRian
- 787 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from QLD, Australia
I play guitar
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- KVRian
- 520 posts since 13 Aug, 2002 from Salzburg, Austria
Nuendo 3 - now only $2499!
Yeah right, and they expect to stop piracy that way?
Yeah right, and they expect to stop piracy that way?
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- KVRian
- 787 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from QLD, Australia
I think it's still only $2000
Expect street prices of around $1699.
If you feel you have to bitch about it please feel free to but know that I and everyone else here who is sick of this "mines better than yours" malarky will flame your arse to hell.....
Expect street prices of around $1699.
If you feel you have to bitch about it please feel free to but know that I and everyone else here who is sick of this "mines better than yours" malarky will flame your arse to hell.....
I play guitar
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- KVRAF
- 1907 posts since 29 Oct, 2003
My SX looks brighter than your Nuendo 
If you feel you have to bitch about it please feel free to but know that I and everyone else here who is sick of this "mines better than yours" malarky will flame your arse to hell.....
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1325 posts since 6 Mar, 2001 from London, UK
Oh I think some fantasies need to be punctured here.
Nuendo 2 is famous for having three absolutely fundamental flaws: cross-fade clicking, the Trim-Law flaw and VSTi freeze flaws.
Of these the most overwhelmingly fatal IMHO is the trim law. This flaw means that you can't adjust linked faders, groups of automation points and a few other things by a defined amount and have them move by that amount. SX3 suffers from same flaw. Pro level mix decisions get randomized. This is not a professional calibre software, or a Pro Tools killer, it's a Steinberg product. Below, I've copied the statement made by Steinberg's Nuendo moderator on the status of this issue, following the admission by Eckhardt Doll that no fix is delivered in N3.
Note that in that post reference is made to the upgrade of SX2 being announced. That announcement has since been removed from the Cubase forums. Also note, that more people can't be hired by Steinberg because of the impact this will have on the upgrade price on N3.
Everybody says 'when they get the bugs out'. They never get the bugs out. Ever. Becuase the name of the game is continual revolution - to keep the feature set one step ahead of the opposition - there are always new bugs. You only can choose with Steinberg which bugs you want to live with.
http://forum.nuendo.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/022824-4.html
"Look, let this be clear.
"I am not happy with this non-fix, neither is Steinberg. But sometimes you just have to face reality. A month ago, the leapfrogging was the most important issue. Most of you were speculating that the leapfrogging promise would be broken. That did not happen. Then everybody was speculating that the X-fades bug would not be fixed. The X-fades bug (wasn’t that the most important one Jake?) is fixed. Then everybody doubted that there would be a N2/SX2 maintenance update. The N2 maintenance update is still scheduled and the SX2 update has already been announced. Steinberg listened to the users in offering a crossgrade from Nuendo to SX, they also managed to offer the upgrade for a moderate price, but still all this is not good enough, not cheap enough, not fast enough. Apparently most of you are looking for yet another reason to make your point. You will always find something; you are just refusing to accept any explanation. (Not that I can blame you for that) My point is that if there would have been an announcement saying that N3 was postponed for another 3 months, just to fix this bug, then everybody would have said “See !!!! I told you !!!! Steinberg broke the leapfrogging promise”. There is just no way to do it right. Steinberg could only choose between two bad things. Sure there was a way to get this fixed by now, that is by hiring extra development people, but this would have had repercussions to the upgrade price. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Still that is exactly what most of you are after. So once again, fixing this bug alone could/would have jeopardize the release of N3.
"That’s why it is postponed happen. That bug is a monster and can’t be fought by a man with a knife, they need a whole army to get this under control.
"I have witnessed that they have done everything they could do, but you simply can’t win them all. I still have confidence in this team, otherwise I wouldn’t be here anymore. For now, I will concentrate on setting up the bugchasing for N3, (which will be a very solid release) and as promised, development will be on standby to fix the most nasty ones ASA."
Nuendo 2 is famous for having three absolutely fundamental flaws: cross-fade clicking, the Trim-Law flaw and VSTi freeze flaws.
Of these the most overwhelmingly fatal IMHO is the trim law. This flaw means that you can't adjust linked faders, groups of automation points and a few other things by a defined amount and have them move by that amount. SX3 suffers from same flaw. Pro level mix decisions get randomized. This is not a professional calibre software, or a Pro Tools killer, it's a Steinberg product. Below, I've copied the statement made by Steinberg's Nuendo moderator on the status of this issue, following the admission by Eckhardt Doll that no fix is delivered in N3.
Note that in that post reference is made to the upgrade of SX2 being announced. That announcement has since been removed from the Cubase forums. Also note, that more people can't be hired by Steinberg because of the impact this will have on the upgrade price on N3.
Everybody says 'when they get the bugs out'. They never get the bugs out. Ever. Becuase the name of the game is continual revolution - to keep the feature set one step ahead of the opposition - there are always new bugs. You only can choose with Steinberg which bugs you want to live with.
http://forum.nuendo.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/022824-4.html
"Look, let this be clear.
"I am not happy with this non-fix, neither is Steinberg. But sometimes you just have to face reality. A month ago, the leapfrogging was the most important issue. Most of you were speculating that the leapfrogging promise would be broken. That did not happen. Then everybody was speculating that the X-fades bug would not be fixed. The X-fades bug (wasn’t that the most important one Jake?) is fixed. Then everybody doubted that there would be a N2/SX2 maintenance update. The N2 maintenance update is still scheduled and the SX2 update has already been announced. Steinberg listened to the users in offering a crossgrade from Nuendo to SX, they also managed to offer the upgrade for a moderate price, but still all this is not good enough, not cheap enough, not fast enough. Apparently most of you are looking for yet another reason to make your point. You will always find something; you are just refusing to accept any explanation. (Not that I can blame you for that) My point is that if there would have been an announcement saying that N3 was postponed for another 3 months, just to fix this bug, then everybody would have said “See !!!! I told you !!!! Steinberg broke the leapfrogging promise”. There is just no way to do it right. Steinberg could only choose between two bad things. Sure there was a way to get this fixed by now, that is by hiring extra development people, but this would have had repercussions to the upgrade price. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Still that is exactly what most of you are after. So once again, fixing this bug alone could/would have jeopardize the release of N3.
"That’s why it is postponed happen. That bug is a monster and can’t be fought by a man with a knife, they need a whole army to get this under control.
"I have witnessed that they have done everything they could do, but you simply can’t win them all. I still have confidence in this team, otherwise I wouldn’t be here anymore. For now, I will concentrate on setting up the bugchasing for N3, (which will be a very solid release) and as promised, development will be on standby to fix the most nasty ones ASA."
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- KVRian
- 787 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from QLD, Australia
Hahhaahamauseoleum wrote:My SX looks brighter than your Nuendo
It's true about those crossfades, I've never had occasion to use them but yeah, clicks and shit.
I do think it's too expensive but only for Nuendo virgins... the upgrades aren't priced that badly atm.
I think that all commercial software is too expensive though.... it's only 1's and 0's for crying out loud
I play guitar
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- KVRian
- 897 posts since 2 Aug, 2001 from norway
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- KVRAF
- 2336 posts since 13 Oct, 2002 from Terra Firma
Nice one HanafiH!HanafiH wrote:Oh I think some fantasies need to be punctured here.
Nuendo 2 is famous for having three absolutely fundamental flaws: cross-fade clicking, the Trim-Law flaw and VSTi freeze flaws.
Of these the most overwhelmingly fatal IMHO is the trim law. This flaw means that you can't adjust linked faders, groups of automation points and a few other things by a defined amount and have them move by that amount. SX3 suffers from same flaw. Pro level mix decisions get randomized. This is not a professional calibre software, or a Pro Tools killer, it's a Steinberg product. Below, I've copied the statement made by Steinberg's Nuendo moderator on the status of this issue, following the admission by Eckhardt Doll that no fix is delivered in N3.
Note that in that post reference is made to the upgrade of SX2 being announced. That announcement has since been removed from the Cubase forums. Also note, that more people can't be hired by Steinberg because of the impact this will have on the upgrade price on N3.
Everybody says 'when they get the bugs out'. They never get the bugs out. Ever. Becuase the name of the game is continual revolution - to keep the feature set one step ahead of the opposition - there are always new bugs. You only can choose with Steinberg which bugs you want to live with.
http://forum.nuendo.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/022824-4.html
"Look, let this be clear.
"I am not happy with this non-fix, neither is Steinberg. But sometimes you just have to face reality. A month ago, the leapfrogging was the most important issue. Most of you were speculating that the leapfrogging promise would be broken. That did not happen. Then everybody was speculating that the X-fades bug would not be fixed. The X-fades bug (wasn’t that the most important one Jake?) is fixed. Then everybody doubted that there would be a N2/SX2 maintenance update. The N2 maintenance update is still scheduled and the SX2 update has already been announced. Steinberg listened to the users in offering a crossgrade from Nuendo to SX, they also managed to offer the upgrade for a moderate price, but still all this is not good enough, not cheap enough, not fast enough. Apparently most of you are looking for yet another reason to make your point. You will always find something; you are just refusing to accept any explanation. (Not that I can blame you for that) My point is that if there would have been an announcement saying that N3 was postponed for another 3 months, just to fix this bug, then everybody would have said “See !!!! I told you !!!! Steinberg broke the leapfrogging promise”. There is just no way to do it right. Steinberg could only choose between two bad things. Sure there was a way to get this fixed by now, that is by hiring extra development people, but this would have had repercussions to the upgrade price. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Still that is exactly what most of you are after. So once again, fixing this bug alone could/would have jeopardize the release of N3.
"That’s why it is postponed happen. That bug is a monster and can’t be fought by a man with a knife, they need a whole army to get this under control.
"I have witnessed that they have done everything they could do, but you simply can’t win them all. I still have confidence in this team, otherwise I wouldn’t be here anymore. For now, I will concentrate on setting up the bugchasing for N3, (which will be a very solid release) and as promised, development will be on standby to fix the most nasty ones ASA."
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- KVRian
- 787 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from QLD, Australia
Nuendo suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxors.
I want my Minidisc 4track (Yamaha MD4S) back
They did steal it from me
When you've done massive editing on one of those I'll mebbe respect you in the morning... but don't expect breakfast.
In all seriousness though, I like the things I use cause I'm used to them, I just hope all the pathetic "My thingy haxxors your thingy" crowd are making awesome music.
I want my Minidisc 4track (Yamaha MD4S) back
They did steal it from me
When you've done massive editing on one of those I'll mebbe respect you in the morning... but don't expect breakfast.
In all seriousness though, I like the things I use cause I'm used to them, I just hope all the pathetic "My thingy haxxors your thingy" crowd are making awesome music.
I play guitar
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
nuendo is sH17. ha!if you like nuendo you are rubbish!
if you like pro tools you are rubbish!
if you like logic you are rubbish!
if you like ejay you are rubbish!
if you like tracktion you are rubbish!
if you like podium you are rubbish!
they all have a bug -when you use them you are rubbish!
TrACk3rS 4R3 th3 0n3 tRu3 w4Y!! OMGWTFLOL!!!!!!!1
if you like pro tools you are rubbish!
if you like logic you are rubbish!
if you like ejay you are rubbish!
if you like tracktion you are rubbish!
if you like podium you are rubbish!
they all have a bug -when you use them you are rubbish!
TrACk3rS 4R3 th3 0n3 tRu3 w4Y!! OMGWTFLOL!!!!!!!1
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.
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- KVRian
- 787 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from QLD, Australia
haydxn wrote:nuendo is sH17. ha!if you like nuendo you are rubbish!
if you like pro tools you are rubbish!
if you like logic you are rubbish!
if you like ejay you are rubbish!
if you like tracktion you are rubbish!
if you like podium you are rubbish!
they all have a bug -when you use them you are rubbish!
TrACk3rS 4R3 th3 0n3 tRu3 w4Y!! OMGWTFLOL!!!!!!!1
OMFG! Egzachery what I was thinking
I play guitar
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
If you have to start fighting about nuendo, its high price and feature set vs. sx and insist on throwing protools in the mix as well, you might as well look at this thread:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthre ... adid=23616
especially crypticglobe and RME UK make some extremely valid and well voiced points about all those things you guys keep arguing about. (remember some of the people in that thread are oldschool mixer dudes who know very little about the most current versions and features and seem very biased about things as well)
The high price on nuendo has lots to do with the export/import (licence based) options for the "niche" market as some of you say. This niche just so happens to be the target user group and they're more than willing to shell out the cash for it. Stop whining about the high priced extra features vs sx3, they're probably not for you anyway (see what RME UK has to say about this as well).
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthre ... adid=23616
especially crypticglobe and RME UK make some extremely valid and well voiced points about all those things you guys keep arguing about. (remember some of the people in that thread are oldschool mixer dudes who know very little about the most current versions and features and seem very biased about things as well)
The high price on nuendo has lots to do with the export/import (licence based) options for the "niche" market as some of you say. This niche just so happens to be the target user group and they're more than willing to shell out the cash for it. Stop whining about the high priced extra features vs sx3, they're probably not for you anyway (see what RME UK has to say about this as well).
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- KVRian
- 787 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from QLD, Australia
Who is fighting? We not argue, we know The Way.
I play guitar