I see NI have just started with a subscription offering.....'Komplete Now'

[YnJ]

I don't know, I'll rather stick to the rent to own solutions, you get Plugin Alliance Essential for the same price, only a lot more products and a $100 voucher every year

I would consider $9.99 for Massive X if I didn't already own it, if it was rent to own. Replika I got as a gift years ago from Native Instruments

[ShawnG]

You’ll own nothing and be happy.

 

If you take the stank off this phrase and zoom out a bit, there is a great deal of Buddhist wisdom to be found here.

[Biome_Digital]

You’ll own nothing and be happy.

 

If you take the stank off this phrase and zoom out a bit, there is a great deal of Buddhist wisdom to be found here.

Well, as a Buddhist, I say no. YOU will own nothing, but somebody else will own it, and you will pay them for it.

[matrixo9]

9.99 for basically massive and it's not rent to own ?
I think subs basically bank on the kind of people that have a good job and have loads of subscriptions that they forget about , I hope all things don't move to subscriptions , it will make a lot of people want to pirate , I like owning my software that's why I moved from piracy I like thinking
"this belongs to me"
Subscription models do not feel owned and I think are more for a professional who needs a certain Sound just for one month ( but then he forgets about ) which would never be me lol
I hate subs
Adobe
Pro tools
Studio one
Reason studios
Native instruments
Who's next , it's fooking stupid

[bduffy]

This is a surprising choice. $9.99 USD/mo for Massive and a couple instruments they gave away for free already?

I might have been interested in the full Komplete for $9.99, but not this pre-school collection.

[Super Piano Hater 64]

The general question is this. To we want to accept as musicians that we get depend on the internet to make music because of copy protection?

I'm quite sure it will get more over time when companies see that users accept that.

Small developers should be against it, too, because it will drive industry consolidation.

Right now, it's still possible to set up an airgapped music workstation that never receives system updates, because it never needs to, because it never connects to the internet. You can install all your stuff, get it running, and pull the plug. It's the only way out of the network security arms race.

Removing that option turns software vendor diversity into a much larger liability. Different shops have different development practices and update schedules. If you're forced to update your OS, you might not be able to keep using software from a developer that can't keep up with the latest API changes. How many musicians have Macs running Mojave, or PCs running Windows 7? How many unpatched CVEs are they stuck with? How many developers lost customers to a system update, and how much worse would that be if everyone had to update right away?

To clarify, I don't think sprawling monopolies are any better than "indie" developers at updating their software for the latest platforms. (See, for example, how much stuff still doesn't work on the new Macs, a year and a half after they were announced.) The problem is that they could dictate what platforms their users are able to work on, with no regard for what other developers are doing. That, in turn, gives them more leverage to absorb their competitors or drive them out of business, and that's bad for all of us.

[Atlatnesiti]

9.99 for basically massive and it's not rent to own ?
I think subs basically bank on the kind of people that have a good job and have loads of subscriptions that they forget about , I hope all things don't move to subscriptions , it will make a lot of people want to pirate , I like owning my software that's why I moved from piracy I like thinking
"this belongs to me"
Subscription models do not feel owned and I think are more for a professional who needs a certain Sound just for one month ( but then he forgets about ) which would never be me lol
I hate subs
Adobe
Pro tools

Studio one
Reason studios
Native instruments
Who's next , it's fooking stupid

Truth is that you never own the software you buy, regardless of it being subscription based or not.
Subscription makes it more affordable to masses
Paying let’s say $99 a year for update is not different to paying $99 subscription fee with additional benefits.
People are complaining about being connected to use the subscription software once a month and yet they are connected here on kvr forums 24/7. What a joke…

[noiseboyuk]

Truth is that you never own the software you buy, regardless of it being subscription based or not.
Subscription makes it more affordable to masses
Paying let’s say $99 a year for update is not different to paying $99 subscription fee with additional benefits.
People are complaining about being connected to use the subscription software once a month and yet they are connected here on kvr forums 24/7. What a joke…

Musicians yearn for a simpler time when all was hardware. If it went a bit wonky, you could hit it and it might come good for a while.

And yet at the same time, people want all the goodies and joys the modern-day internet can bring. Free updates! Free goodies!

We all made a pact with the devil when we looked at computers and thought "hey, they could help me make music". For all the wailing and complaining, few actually go back to a portastudio and hardware synths. I honestly think many people would be happier if they did, you know. You can get a 24 track Tascam with 8 XLR inputs for under £400. As far as I know, it doesn't need to be connected to the internet. IT'S OUT THERE, GUYS.

[Kr3eM]

Truth is that you never own the software you buy, regardless of it being subscription based or not.

That is not the truth at all. You do own it, but you do not own the code (intellectual property), the same way you don't get the ownership of the patent rights of your laptop or any other goods when you buy them.

"Software in the EU is subject to the first-sale doctrine and when people purchase software in the EU they are definitively purchasing a copy of the software and from the copyright holder unto the purchaser "transfers the right of ownership of the copy of the computer software"

There's more information here in this thread for anyone who wants to know
You own the software that you purchase, and any claims otherwise are urban myth or corporate propaganda
https://linustechtips.com/topic/953835- ... ropaganda/

Paying let’s say $99 a year for update is not different to paying $99 subscription fee with additional benefits.

This make no sense. Bitwig doesn't stop working just because you do not pay for another year of updates.
A perpetual license, is ,non-exhaustive, meaning that the right it grants is eternal, forever-lasting, and never expires.
A subscription license is a time limited right to use (access) a software or service.

Subscription makes it more affordable to masses

That's debatable. There will be situations when it is not and some when it's not.

People are complaining about being connected to use the subscription software once a month and yet they are connected here on kvr forums 24/7. What a joke…

Sure, it can't be possible for people to have more than one device... trivialize the complaints like this shows how much skill you lack when it comes to discernment.

[tony10000]

Reason Studios and NI have been bought up by private equity investors. The bean counters seem to love SAAS. Steady income flow.

[dellboy]

Truth is that you never own the software you buy, regardless of it being subscription based or not.
Subscription makes it more affordable to masses
Paying let’s say $99 a year for update is not different to paying $99 subscription fee with additional benefits.
People are complaining about being connected to use the subscription software once a month and yet they are connected here on kvr forums 24/7. What a joke…

Something is wrong with your maths. At the end of a year of subscriptions you have zero. If you buy a perpetual license it keeps on working until it stops working. I have old software on DVD or CD in the attic which is maybe 20 years old and will still work if I fire up my old computer to use it on.

[jclosed]

Well - I really do not care much about NI these day's. There are two products that I bought from them, and that I still use regularly. Those are Absynth 5 and FM8. All other stuff from then did not peaked my interest. Yes - Kontakt is interesting, but not enough for me to fork out money. For now I have more than enough instruments (Absynth 5, FM8, Omnisphere, Trilian, Stylus RMX, Iris 2, HALion 6, Voltage Modular and EZDrummer 2, BFD2) for my modest needs.
Subscription? Nah, no interest. I don't mind paying a price one time to use mys stuff until it breaks down by some stupid Windows update, but I really hate paying several subscriptions when stop paying takes everything away. On top of that - There is no subscription that covers everything you need, and several subscriptions a month add up very fast. You may think "it's only...", but all that "only" can add up to a hefty monthly fee...

[anttimaatteri]

the whole bundle looks like bobby kotick got a new job already hahaha

next step: ni loot boxes with a chance to get something in their new online rp shooter

[4damind]

The subscription is only available for a few plugins, maybe it's only the plugins that hardly sell anyway
It has been speculated for some time that NI is switching to a subscription model.
However, I hardly use NI, now and then Absynth 5. For me, the complete bundle (Komplete as a subscription) would also be uninteresting. Honestly, I generally find NI currently rather uninteresting.

[D-Fusion]

This is a surprising choice. $9.99 USD/mo for Massive and a couple instruments they gave away for free already?

I might have been interested in the full Komplete for $9.99, but not this pre-school collection.

Virtual drug for the people so they will buy more.

Truth is that you never own the software you buy, regardless of it being subscription based or not.
Subscription makes it more affordable to masses
Paying let’s say $99 a year for update is not different to paying $99 subscription fee with additional benefits.
People are complaining about being connected to use the subscription software once a month and yet they are connected here on kvr forums 24/7. What a joke…

Musicians yearn for a simpler time when all was hardware. If it went a bit wonky, you could hit it and it might come good for a while.

And yet at the same time, people want all the goodies and joys the modern-day internet can bring. Free updates! Free goodies!

We all made a pact with the devil when we looked at computers and thought "hey, they could help me make music". For all the wailing and complaining, few actually go back to a portastudio and hardware synths. I honestly think many people would be happier if they did, you know. You can get a 24 track Tascam with 8 XLR inputs for under £400. As far as I know, it doesn't need to be connected to the internet. IT'S OUT THERE, GUYS.

Well HW instruments doesn't seem to be safe in the future either.
Just take the Roland Jupiter X/XM where you are so lucky that you now can buy a Wifi dongle that will check your system everytime you use your instrument to see if you are subscribed to the cloud.

If you forget to have that dongle plugged in it will start to warn you after you have used a soundbank or other cloud product 20 times and after 30 times the extra soundbanks will stop working and you have to insert it again to reauthorize your subscription.

https://insounder.org/roland-wc-1-wirel ... -xm-synths

And the setup manual
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/ ... ng01_W.pdf

I have had my interest in the J X/XM for about a year now but now i am happy that i went 1 generation back and bought the Roland FA instead and will never consider any new hw from Roland again unless it is something like the boutique JX 08 or JD 08 which is not affected by this madnesss.