Discovery Pro synthesizer 6.4 to 8.0

[dayjob]

takes about 10 seconds to add someone to your ignore list if you find them useless.

[crickey13]

takes about 10 seconds to add someone to your ignore list if you find them useless.

I already have, but it's a bit of a different thing when somebody PMs you and carries on with their nonsense, right?

[dayjob]

takes about 10 seconds to add someone to your ignore list if you find them useless.

I already have, but it's a bit of a different thing when somebody PMs you and carries on with their nonsense, right?

wow that's crazy. some people should step away from the internet.

too bad adding to ignore list doesn't include a total block including PMs.

[audiojunkie]

There were many years where we didn't have an ignore list here. I'm glad we have it available. I seldom ignore anyone--I purposely try not to resort to that, but between this guy and Bones (another KVR member), I was about to start adding names....

[SamDi]

If you want hardware sound you should get a hardware synth.

Sorry, but that statement makes no sense to me. What should be the "hardware sound" of a DSP-coded VA-synth, which you could also implement natively as VST? The DA-converters?

The only difference is just the processor.

[briefcasemanx]

If you want hardware sound you should get a hardware synth.

Sorry, but that statement makes no sense to me. What should be the "hardware sound" of a DSP-coded VA-synth, which you could also implement natively as VST? The DA-converters?

The only difference is just the processor.

Lol, right? I wonder why no one else has tried to do a good Nord Lead emulation? Seems like it would be easier than emulating analog. Maybe Nord Leads just aren't in vogue anymore.

[SamDi]

If you want hardware sound you should get a hardware synth.

Sorry, but that statement makes no sense to me. What should be the "hardware sound" of a DSP-coded VA-synth, which you could also implement natively as VST? The DA-converters?

The only difference is just the processor.

Lol, right? I wonder why no one else has tried to do a good Nord Lead emulation? Seems like it would be easier than emulating analog. Maybe Nord Leads just aren't in vogue anymore.

Hm I guess that in the meanwhile soft synths have reached or even surpassed the classical VAs from the 90ies /early 00er soundwise.

Not a long time ago I unpacked my old Virus C to play a little bit around. Beside the fact, that all user presets were gone, because battery run out of power and that it is with today's standard a nervy fiddling in the menues, the sound was not really superior to e.g. a Hive or a Dune. I expected different. I had to recognize, that sounds, which had a wow-factor 20 years ago, do now sound pretty standard. That's why often in our memories, we still dream of the good old HW-synths which sound(ed) better. But listening habits have changed.

With all that crazy wavetable-, additive and granular stuff, we have today, the old VAs just cannot compete. They are still pretty awesome, and in some areas maybe still unreached, but not so far away from today's standards that the market asks for emulations. And an emulation should be just soundwise, because copying that menu digging stuff would really suck.

I can live in the meanwhile pretty good without HW. Not to have all these connection issues, beeing able to have as many instances in a DAW as I whant and just save the sounds with the project file is just winning. With MPE coming more and more to softsynths, lift it to the next level of the game.

[OBSOLETE165973]

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[audiojunkie]

Pls can some one explain to me. What is the big difference between a hardware and software. I only owned a Roland JD-XI in my whole life as a hardware synth. compare to my friend nix who has a room full of synths. Why is there any difference between a hardware and software if you connect it into the computer. PC or MAC. I mean MOOG is it not just all about filters for example? and other synths like. Why cant you just use a Equalizer to get same kind of sound with some tricks. Like filters and stuff? Sry im kinda new into hardware synths. So dont blame me pls. But i mean if i listen to a song. I cant say this is hardware or software. Anyone who can do that? By ear? And like for example if u compare softsynths. Like sylenth1 serum spire hive and the rest. Like if you listen to a song can you figure out witch synth is used by ear? Sry mybe im totaly out somewhere. But curious to know.

For my many synths sounds the same. Just some synths can do more sounds by tweaking. and like waveforms or modulation.

Today, there isn't much difference between hardware and software. In fact, many hardware synths are just Linux boxes packed with proprietary software. When it really mattered, was when it came down to the old Analog/Digital wars of yesteryear. Before modeling caught up, there was no way for a software subtractive synth to model the warmth and character of analog. Added to that, hardware used very high quality audio converters that budget desktops couldn't compete with. Those days are past. Nowadays, I'm just as interested in digital as I am with analog. It seems to me that it is more important what synthesis type and what tools and effects are included in a software synth, than DACs/ADCs, latency, analog filters, or any of the other things that made hardware special back then. Modern computers can do it just as well nowadays.

EDIT: Here's a thought that will drive my point home. Look up the old classic synth, Neon. It was made by Steinberg and was incredibly popular. In fact, it was made very well for its time (there were things with much worse algorithms at that time too). Now, compare that classic software synth with something like Uhe's DIVA (or pick any other well received powerhouse synth of today). Use the old hardware that was available at that time for Neon, and use modern hardware when running DIVA in divine mode. There is a very noticeable difference between the two, even though they are both top tech synths for their times.

[briefcasemanx]

If you want hardware sound you should get a hardware synth.

Sorry, but that statement makes no sense to me. What should be the "hardware sound" of a DSP-coded VA-synth, which you could also implement natively as VST? The DA-converters?

The only difference is just the processor.

Lol, right? I wonder why no one else has tried to do a good Nord Lead emulation? Seems like it would be easier than emulating analog. Maybe Nord Leads just aren't in vogue anymore.

Hm I guess that in the meanwhile soft synths have reached or even surpassed the classical VAs from the 90ies /early 00er soundwise.

Not a long time ago I unpacked my old Virus C to play a little bit around. Beside the fact, that all user presets were gone, because battery run out of power and that it is with today's standard a nervy fiddling in the menues, the sound was not really superior to e.g. a Hive or a Dune. I expected different. I had to recognize, that sounds, which had a wow-factor 20 years ago, do now sound pretty standard. That's why often in our memories, we still dream of the good old HW-synths which sound(ed) better. But listening habits have changed.

With all that crazy wavetable-, additive and granular stuff, we have today, the old VAs just cannot compete. They are still pretty awesome, and in some areas maybe still unreached, but not so far away from today's standards that the market asks for emulations. And an emulation should be just soundwise, because copying that menu digging stuff would really suck.

I can live in the meanwhile pretty good without HW. Not to have all these connection issues, beeing able to have as many instances in a DAW as I whant and just save the sounds with the project file is just winning. With MPE coming more and more to softsynths, lift it to the next level of the game.

I had a Nord Lead 2x and a 3. They never sounded anything like analog even if they were technically an analog "emulation". They were their own completely original sound. The processing power when they came out was just not enough to do a good job of true emulation so the engineers must have come out with some very unique algorithmic solutions to problems.



This sounds as cool as any softsynths I own (and I own a LOT, including almost all of the most highly regarded analog emulations). This sounds slightly more "analog" than the 2x or 3 IMO, but it still has a unique flavor.

[Prototech]

DO anybody have direct comparison VST vs REAL NORD LEAD Please? Especially for aggressive FM sounds and BP High pass filters, unisonos etc? Mainly high pass at high frequencies / cutoffs?

thanks

[chk071]

DO anybody have direct comparison VST vs REAL NORD LEAD Please? Especially for aggressive FM sounds and BP High pass filters, unisonos etc? Mainly high pass at high frequencies / cutoffs?

It's just a fkn shame that noone does this. Should be a given that, if something is emulating something, there is a decent comparison between the synths. Come on. It's interesting for most of us.

[Rastkovic]

I still not understand that, is this seriously important?

Use the plugin, or buy a Nordrack 1/2/3. Lifetime is limited.


My last 2¢ on this....

[chk071]

Today, there isn't much difference between hardware and software. In fact, many hardware synths are just Linux boxes packed with proprietary software.

Care to elaborate? Which "many" hardware synths are just Linux boxes packed with proprietary software?

[Rastkovic]

One thing that bothers me a lot more, why is there no phase reset for both oscillators in Discovery Pro? Mhmm...