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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
To stop aliasing, you need to use oversampling. That's why I run Ableton at 88200 Hz, so I can cut stuff at 20 kHz before it folds back.
Once it folds back however, you cannot undo it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My recent discovery was D16 Decimort 2, which has some strong AA processor onboard - probably more than just a LP filter.
Once it folds back however, you cannot undo it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My recent discovery was D16 Decimort 2, which has some strong AA processor onboard - probably more than just a LP filter.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
And if you don't like it, then what will you do?roman.i wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:06 pm lol, no. it doesn't matter at all.
just listen to the sound, if you like it - it's good, period.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
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- KVRAF
- 35685 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Of course. It has been done in the past, and it will be done in the present and future.Synthack wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:57 pm I know aliasing can sound quite unpleasant but if you know how to hear it can't you just produce around it?
BTW, you probably mean Gearspace. Gearnews doesn't have a forum, I think.
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- KVRian
- 861 posts since 15 Jul, 2016
Stop reading the forums. Really. Unless you have a specific problem and search for a specific answer.
In most of the cases things like analog emulations, oversampling, alias, specialized plugs (like soothe, zynaptiq, gullfoss, dseq etc) make little to no difference if you can’t reach (I’d dare to say) 98% of your potential without them (with stock plugins and maybe a handful of go-tos like a digital eq, some saturators and one-two compressors).
We have this species of “audio alchemist” - the folk that seeks magic sauces, mixing secrets, knows every spec, for which always the latest eq is the best. People that talk about music more than making it. And they steer you on a rabbit hole and you think what you have is not enough. Because instead of practice they talk. Add the audio companies’ marketing and you have a FOMO the size of a planet.
Just practice, train your ears. When something will sound bad you’ll know how to make it sound good. Cheers!
In most of the cases things like analog emulations, oversampling, alias, specialized plugs (like soothe, zynaptiq, gullfoss, dseq etc) make little to no difference if you can’t reach (I’d dare to say) 98% of your potential without them (with stock plugins and maybe a handful of go-tos like a digital eq, some saturators and one-two compressors).
We have this species of “audio alchemist” - the folk that seeks magic sauces, mixing secrets, knows every spec, for which always the latest eq is the best. People that talk about music more than making it. And they steer you on a rabbit hole and you think what you have is not enough. Because instead of practice they talk. Add the audio companies’ marketing and you have a FOMO the size of a planet.
Just practice, train your ears. When something will sound bad you’ll know how to make it sound good. Cheers!
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- KVRAF
- 12224 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
I routinely lose hours of sleep fretting over aliasing and their nasty little probes and creepy green skin and orange eyes, and...
Oh wait, I meant aliens. Yeah, I don't a $*#* about aliasing.
Oh wait, I meant aliens. Yeah, I don't a $*#* about aliasing.
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- KVRian
- 997 posts since 27 Apr, 2005
The end listener, unless you release your music only to audio forum nerds, does not care at all about most of what gets agonized about here. They don't care about aliasing, they don't care if you use real analog or a soft synth, they don't care if you just rolled out with a preset, they don't care if you haven't upgraded your DAW for seven release cycles. They just want to hear good music. Eric Johnson (respected guitarist) once claimed he could tell what brand of batteries were installed in his stomp boxes by the sound. his fans couldn't.
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- KVRAF
- 2065 posts since 14 Sep, 2004 from $HOME
One good idea or melody can make up for all the aliasing in the world.
The problem with all these plugin aliasing tests is that they don’t necessarily reflect reality. It’s pretty easy to generate aliasing with a 10Khz sine tone at 0dbFS in a distortion plugin. In reality, few signals have that much energy in the hi end.
You can absolutely use a distortion plugin that aliases a lot in a test (like the venerable decapitator), but if you use it e.g. on a bass sound on only one channel, it won’t be a much of a problem. With lot’s of drive on a drum overhead though, there’s a good chance you can actually hear aliasing in action.
As always, it’s a case of “know your tools”. Do not throw away a plugin that looks bad in a screenshot on some forum thread if you like the sound of it, but be aware on what kind of signal you use it and how much processing you’ll apply. Maybe that aliasing on that one track might actually sound cool.
Running your whole session at a higher sample rate can mitigate aliasing a bit, if your CPU allows for it, but is definitely not a cure-for-all and might actually have its own problems (see the now slightly famous video from Dan Worral about intermodulation distortion at higher SR). Again, you need to know what you’re doing. No free lunch there.
If all that sounds too complicated and you just want to make music, go ahead and ignore everything you read about aliasing
The problem with all these plugin aliasing tests is that they don’t necessarily reflect reality. It’s pretty easy to generate aliasing with a 10Khz sine tone at 0dbFS in a distortion plugin. In reality, few signals have that much energy in the hi end.
You can absolutely use a distortion plugin that aliases a lot in a test (like the venerable decapitator), but if you use it e.g. on a bass sound on only one channel, it won’t be a much of a problem. With lot’s of drive on a drum overhead though, there’s a good chance you can actually hear aliasing in action.
As always, it’s a case of “know your tools”. Do not throw away a plugin that looks bad in a screenshot on some forum thread if you like the sound of it, but be aware on what kind of signal you use it and how much processing you’ll apply. Maybe that aliasing on that one track might actually sound cool.
Running your whole session at a higher sample rate can mitigate aliasing a bit, if your CPU allows for it, but is definitely not a cure-for-all and might actually have its own problems (see the now slightly famous video from Dan Worral about intermodulation distortion at higher SR). Again, you need to know what you’re doing. No free lunch there.
If all that sounds too complicated and you just want to make music, go ahead and ignore everything you read about aliasing
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- KVRAF
- 2719 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
A bit of aliasing doesn't make a plugin instantly unusable. But it's helpful to know when it might show up and what to look out for. And it's easier to manage if most of your plugins have very low aliasing.
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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
What's the point of making good music if people can't hear it?They just want to hear good music.
Aliasing often results in terrible noise and lack of clarity, which in the end is fatiguing for listener. This is not a theoretical discussion. You will notice the difference if you deal with it.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
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- KVRAF
- 2065 posts since 14 Sep, 2004 from $HOME
That's a bit of a dramatization, isn't it?DJ Warmonger wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:46 amWhat's the point of making good music if people can't hear it?They just want to hear good music.
People have always been listening to music, regardless of the quality. In analog days, it was noise, clicks, warbling, limited bandwidth, nowadays overcompression, clipping, aliasing and whatnot. Doesn't stop people from enjoying a good tune.
Aliasing often results in terrible noise and lack of clarity, which in the end is fatiguing for listener.[citation needed]
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excuse me please excuse me please https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=427648 - KVRAF
- 1631 posts since 10 Oct, 2018
No, it is not drama; once you hear it, it becomes real annoying.
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- KVRist
- 38 posts since 24 Nov, 2017