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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:05 pm

excuse me please wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:38 pm No, it is not drama; once you hear it, it becomes real annoying.

It becomes even more annoying once you think you hear it.

Jafo · Post by **Jafo** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:29 pm

If aliasing bothers you to that extent, you've forgotten what real, acoustic instruments sound like. (Or analog gear, as mentioned above.) Go listen to some. Recalibrate your ears. Either that, or see a therapist: you're allowing a small bit of schmutz to rule your life. Spend less time being precious and more time making music -- you'll be happier.

Jafo · Post by **Jafo** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:33 pm

When people with tens of thousands of posts and who've been here for a long time, there's a teensy chance they may know what they're talking about, and might possibly have wisdom worth hearing.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:41 pm

If aliasing bothers you to that extent, you've forgotten what real, acoustic instruments sound like. (Or analog gear, as mentioned above.)

Man, I'm talking supersaws here, with theoretically infinite spectrum.

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:45 pm

There are people in the audio community with "precious ears" who love to wax rhapsodic about the smallest of (alleged) nuances in gear, it's true. (I'm reminded of the YouTube review where the guy was praising the analog warmth he was hearing from a well-known emulation company's plugin, all while the plugin's GUI showed it as bypassed.)

But aliasing can definitely be audible and detract from your sonics, *in the right context*. In a busy mix it's probably going to be less obvious (although maybe causing ear fatigue?). If it's a solo instrument, it can definitely be obvious and detract from the desired quality and intention.

Unaspected · Post by **Unaspected** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:51 pm

chk071 wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:05 pm
excuse me please wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:38 pm No, it is not drama; once you hear it, it becomes real annoying.
It becomes even more annoying once you think you hear it.

Once you hear it, you'll shit bricks brick-wall EQs.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:59 pm

(I'm reminded of the YouTube review where the guy was praising the analog warmth he was hearing from a well-known emulation company's plugin, all while the plugin's GUI showed it as bypassed.)

Ah yes, confirmation bias.

What I learned at university is that in correct, blind tests of hearing people are able to tell the difference with much, much worse precision that all the "golden ears" claim. In fact professor said explicity that no such thing exists, and why.

Funny enough: In one of auditory tests I was the very, very bad outlayer as I claimed to hear differences everywhere when there were very few

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:46 pm

Don't worry so much.

There was a time when recording engineers told guitarists to turn down their amp. "I'm not going to record a distorting amp, I do hi fi only."

This song has sold millions, despite the gritty aliasing in the intro:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJuMBdaqIw

There are times to avoid it, and times to embrace it.

andymcbain · Post by **andymcbain** » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:59 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:41 pm
If aliasing bothers you to that extent, you've forgotten what real, acoustic instruments sound like. (Or analog gear, as mentioned above.)
Man, I'm talking supersaws here, with theoretically infinite spectrum.

Topical as I was listening to a bunch of 90s / early 00s uplifting trance tracks over the weekend. I can't say the aliasing in all those early VA synths got in the way of me enjoying the music

Synthack · Post by **Synthack** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:33 am

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excuse me please · Post by **excuse me please** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:12 am

BertKoor wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:46 pm Don't worry so much.

There was a time when recording engineers told guitarists to turn down their amp. "I'm not going to record a distorting amp, I do hi fi only."

This song has sold millions, despite the gritty aliasing in the intro:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJuMBdaqIw

There are times to avoid it, and times to embrace it.

For the same money billions of people HAVE to poop every day. But it still does not turn poop to a delicatesse. What is YOUR argument?

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:16 am

I've never heard it....

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:31 am

I believe it's something to do with sinthesisers.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:30 am

excuse me please wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:12 am What is YOUR argument?

Like I said: there are times to avoid it, and times to embrace it.
Producers should be aware it can be there, recognise it and make a decision to deal with it. Or not.

excuse me please · Post by **excuse me please** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:34 am

BertKoor wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:30 am
excuse me please wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:12 am What is YOUR argument?
Like I said: there are times to avoid it, and times to embrace it.
Producers should be aware it can be there, recognise it and make a decision to deal with it. Or not.

Sorry, but I was a bit upset when I wrote my previous comment in this thread.
For weeks I am fighting against distortion and have come to the point where I can't even listen to distorted guitars no more.

Guess I am overdoing it