Would You Give Up Music If All DAWs Went Subscription ?

[kritikon]

Why are you guys to extremely mad about subscriptions models.

Easy peasy. They're a very obvious rip-off. The only benefit of any subscription model is for the business to make more money than they can from the more traditional method of selling. The customer will never benefit as much as the business. That really doesn't take any thought whatsoever to figure out.

Would you stop making music if a nuclear winter happens and all infrastructure is broken and you have to go out every day and fight bears with your bare hands to get food and of course that doesn't work so you have to resort to eating old granny holmes and...

If there's no electricity coming through the holes in the wall, then yes I'd stop making music. Bears don't live in NZ. I don't have any grannies, though I could eat someone else's?

You are making up fictional scenarios and getting enraged about it.

No. Entrancer is making up fictional scenarios and we're silly enough to respond to them. I think he does it as a hobby and he never replies to any of them AFAIK. But it amuses us enough and we must be bored enough to reply. In fact you just made up a fictional scenario yourself and I replied to that too. TBH I'm not in the slightest enraged. Pretty chilled actually. I get enraged about things like the cat crapping under my bed, not subscription models.

[flori89]

Why are you guys to extremely mad about subscriptions models.

Easy peasy. They're a very obvious rip-off. The only benefit of any subscription model is for the business to make more money than they can from the more traditional method of selling. The customer will never benefit as much as the business. That really doesn't take any thought whatsoever to figure out.

Depends on the model. PreSonus Sphere for example is cheaper then getting the included products if you don't skip versions. That doesn't sound like a ripoff to me. But sure, there are things like Komplete Now that leave a very bad aftertaste.

[vurt]

Why are you guys to extremely mad about subscriptions models. How about this question:

Would you stop making music if a nuclear winter happens and all infrastructure is broken and you have to go out every day and fight bears with your bare hands to get food and of course that doesn't work so you have to resort to eating old granny holmes and...

You are making up fictional scenarios and getting enraged about it.

no bears here

[flori89]

Why are you guys to extremely mad about subscriptions models. How about this question:

Would you stop making music if a nuclear winter happens and all infrastructure is broken and you have to go out every day and fight bears with your bare hands to get food and of course that doesn't work so you have to resort to eating old granny holmes and...

You are making up fictional scenarios and getting enraged about it.

no bears here

I killed the bear and play drums on his skull with his bones like a proper Mad Max.

[dellboy]

Depends on the model. PreSonus Sphere for example is cheaper then getting the included products if you don't skip versions. That doesn't sound like a ripoff to me. But sure, there are things like Komplete Now that leave a very bad aftertaste.

At the beginning of a year of Sphere membership you start out by owning nothing. And at the end of the year you own nothing. But its somehow cheaper than buying it outright and owning it? I need to go back to school and learn math all over again.

[flori89]

Depends on the model. PreSonus Sphere for example is cheaper then getting the included products if you don't skip versions. That doesn't sound like a ripoff to me. But sure, there are things like Komplete Now that leave a very bad aftertaste.

At the beginning of a year of Sphere membership you start out by owning nothing. And at the end of the year you own nothing. But its somehow cheaper than buying it outright and owning it? I need to go back to school and learn math all over again.

You ever read the EULA that comes with your software license, you will see that "ownership" is a rather different concept in software then what you think.

Actually in both cases you own nothing. You make a contract with a company about licensing a piece of software for a period of time, the period being "undefined end date" when it comes to a perpetual license. (But with plenty of options for them to get out of the contract if need be)

If Fender choses to discontinue Studio One for whatever reason and switches off the authentication servers you are out of luck. And this is not a theoretical scenario, this happens all the time.

Also I doubt that you learn basic business math in school, otherwise people wouldn't be as bad at it. Costs for businesses is money spent over a certain period of time, the period ususally being one or multiple "tax year(s)".

I'm going to assume that I don't tell you anything new there though, otherwise taking up a few classes on the topic is always a good idea, since you might safe a considerable amount of money.

[cryophonik]

Why are you guys to extremely mad about subscriptions models. How about this question:

Would you stop making music if a nuclear winter happens and all infrastructure is broken and you have to go out every day and fight bears with your bare hands to get food and of course that doesn't work so you have to resort to eating old granny holmes and...

You are making up fictional scenarios and getting enraged about it.

Quoted for the record. When the subscription apocalypse is upon us and the evil Steinableapplesonus warriors come to take your licenses, don't come to us begging for help.

[Hink]

Why are you guys to extremely mad about subscriptions models. How about this question:

Would you stop making music if a nuclear winter happens and all infrastructure is broken and you have to go out every day and fight bears with your bare hands to get food and of course that doesn't work so you have to resort to eating old granny holmes and...

You are making up fictional scenarios and getting enraged about it.

I'll get in on this one too ...I live in Maine, losing power is not uncommon...lost power last week. Currently we are undergoing a major renovation to my house, one thing we are doing is adding a solar field, we are looking at 10k systems, might step up, I also have a 8500w generator designed for high end electronics (inverter type, less distortion due to cleaner voltage) but we are stepping up to a larger genny too and this will be my back-up/studio genny (not sure about the latter, will have to wait and see but it might be nice to run only the studio off a genny, in 2017 we lost power for around 90 hours).

We do have bears (in fact Maine has the largest population of black bears in the lower 48), in 62 years I have never seen one in the wild (I kinda live in the wild too), they are kinda the ghosts of the forest. I have no fear of bears, I see signs of them but they are not a threat and I dont think there has been a fatal attack from a bear in over a century here. The fact is I am far more in fear of a tiny tick (the deer tick) than a bear.

Food sources in such an emergency, I am an outdoorsman, I can plant as well as I have plenty of land, I can provide for my own food if needed. In fact this is something I do think about because often Mainers with our accents, the fact we are not the most industrious or technical state in the nation and the fact we have the oldest population we are often quickly judged as stupid. The things you mention are real, they could happen, many have become very complacent that the world will provide us with all we need. We are all smart, no matter where we come from we have our smarts (and our ignorance as well), we might not know how to follow a subway map without scratching our head but we can track through hundreds of sq miles of wilderness and never lose our way.

Honestly I am more prepared for such an emergency than probably 99.9% of all the members here and I am getting more prepared by default. I can provide heat from my land, I can provide power, soon I will be producing it, I can get sustenance from the land and I can maintain the items necessary to accomplish this.

About music? I dont need power to make music, I might need power to do all I want but music is my passion and before I had a house and lived in apartments I spent many a night without power, strumming my acoustic...music is my passion.

Again, I believe your scenario is indeed a reality, maybe not to the point of a total nuclear winter but ready for this...even if that happened...well this guy when he wore the pickle suit and was a soldier was an expert in the field of nuclear, biological, and chemical defense

But then who is going to nuke Maine...Natasha and Boris secretly loved silly moose and squirrel

edit: cant resist

[flori89]

Why are you guys to extremely mad about subscriptions models. How about this question:

Would you stop making music if a nuclear winter happens and all infrastructure is broken and you have to go out every day and fight bears with your bare hands to get food and of course that doesn't work so you have to resort to eating old granny holmes and...

You are making up fictional scenarios and getting enraged about it.

Quoted for the record. When the subscription apocalypse is upon us and the evil Steinableapplesonus warriors come to take your licenses, don't come to us begging for help.

SUBPOCALYPSE - Welcome to the Fenderdome

This winter, prepare for the worst, where young music enthusiasts have to enter the Fenderdome to fight for a DAW license in a battle of live and death. Join our hero warriror, a seasoned producer, with scars on his ears to prove it, who takes the fight into the HQ of Steinableapplesonus the disgusting music conglomerate that is ruling the DAW scene with an iron hand.

[cryophonik]

...because often Mainers with our accents,..we are often quickly judged as stupid.

We don't think of you as stupid, Hink. We think of you as Canada.

[Hink]

I'll take it

[lotus2035]

My studio PC would go permanently offline, and I’d continue to use all the software I already *own*.

Not a problem.

Wait for that green stuff to gain more control and power and they will not even allow you to use a computer apart from those machines they see fit...

I would freeze my system too, I only need so many DAW functions and instruments and FX, they would be doing many of us a favor, as the GAS syndrome would be killed at the source.
As for the bureaucracy kicking peoples doors in because they are still using an Intel Xeon from 2016, well that just might just be the tipping point that kicks off WW3.

[Hink]

...because often Mainers with our accents,..we are often quickly judged as stupid.

We don't think of you as stupid, Hink. We think of you as Canada.

for s and g...in case anyone wants to talk like a Mainer...I really dont talk completely like a Mainer, I have still have the other notorious accent...Boston...so I sound like a bad ass Mainer looking for a fight, that is if you can get passed my mumble...here are some Mainer words

If you are “from away,” you may have trouble understanding just what, exactly, a Downeast Mainer is talking about. Memorize this guide and you’ll have no trouble ordering some steamahs and beeahs for your dinnah out in Bah Haba, ayuh.

Ayuh: Less like a word and more like a muted grunt, this is an acknowledgment that the speaker agrees with you. If used at the end of a sentence, it indicates the speaker agrees with himself.

Bah Haba: Bar Harbor, the most populous and most visited town on Mount Desert Island, e.g.: “Ain’t noweahs to evha pahk the cah in Bah Habah.” (hink edit...I am very close to bah haba)

Beah(s): Beer(s).

Beetah: A very old truck, likely only drivable on one’s own property, as it is unsafe to drive on town roads.

Bummah: That is unfortunate.

Buttah: Butter. A condiment that is served by the pint with a lobstah dinnah.

Buzz on: If the speaker has a “buzz on” or is “buzzed up,” he or she has had one too many beeahs.

Cah: Car.

Chout: Watch out.

Chuppta?: What are you up to?

Cunnin’: A very odd word meaning, “cute.”

Deeah: Dear. Next to “wicked,” you’ll likely hear “deeah” the most when in conversation with a Mainer, as in, “How can I help you, deeah?”

Dinnah: The last meal of the day. (See also: suppah.)

Doah yahd: The front yard. (hink edit: also known as door yard, the yard your door opens to)

From away: A slightly pejorative term for someone who is not originally from Maine.

Goddammah: An expression of bewilderment at something; not necessarily something bad.

Glaahs: Glass. Sounds like how a British person would pronounce it.

Hahd tellin’ not knowin’: I don’t know.

Hammah down: To drive really fast or pass someone.

“I’m tellin’ you”: An expression preceded by a statement or opinion, e.g.: “It’s wicked cold outside, I’m tellin’ you.”

Jeezum crow!: Holy cow!, e.g.: “Jeezum crow that truck was hammerin’ down, I’m tellin’ you!”

Jimmies: Sprinkles on ice cream.

Lobstah: Lobster.

Mainah: Someone from Maine.

Massholes: People from Massachusetts.

Memba?: Do you remember?

Mutha: The woman who gave birth to you.

Old lady: Someone’s wife or girlfriend; this phrase has nothing to do with age.

Out straight: Extremely busy.

Padiddle: A car with only one working headlight.

Sea glaahs: Highly sought-after pieces of broken glass that have been smoothed out and rounded by salt water and ocean waves. They make wicked good jewelry.

Shooah: Sure.

Steamah: Steamed clams.

Suppah: An early dinnah.

Statie: State Trooper, e.g.: “Chout for those staties on I-95.”

Stove up: Exhausted.

T’aint likely: Something that is not likely to happen.

Wicked: Very; so; e.g.: “That was wicked awesome!” or “I had a wicked bad day.”

and if that isnt enough assazon sells a book

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One other word they mention we use a lot and I do here...tother the other like tother side

[enroe]

This is of course a theoretical question if we lived in such a dimension or parallel universe... but imagine if that was the case where there was no free software.. I dunno, one might have bought software with crystals on another planet. Maybe there is some world out there where that happens... who knows...

In 20 years time, a subscription to use a DAW, at least for big commercial DAW titles we have, might be the only option.

What a chic apocalyptic future vision! A very dystopian view of the
future world!

Of course, it is difficult to see that far into the future. Probably then
our avatar being on Facebook is more important than our real
appearance today.

But you should always realize that you don't always have to chase
every fashion. You can certainly make music with today's DAWs that
just run with a dongle or a permanent license.

One is then likely to be seen as an old, retarded person - so it will
be difficult. You will also have to do without the latest AI features:
you have to do automatic groove generation or chord adjustments
yourself. But with self-confidence and standing it will still be
possible to make music even then.

[cryophonik]

Massholes