Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[briefcasemanx]

I think I got some Avenger packs at 50% off, which is kind of okay. I would never, ever buy them at full price. Huge ripoff.

[djpremacy]

yes, buffer size should definately raised when encountering spikes

I use the RME Babyface pro FS at 256 buffer at 44.1 khz. Even 512 is creating the spikes. I can easily spot the spikes in the Bitwig performance graph.
Normally I can run projects with many vst instrument at 128 or 64 buffer without issues. I replaced the 3 instances of Avenger with Diva, Falcon, Rapid and Pigments, duplicated those tracks once more and all is good even at 128 buffer.
Macbook M1 pro 14 inch 10-core/16gb Ram/1tb ssd

No programs running in background and also tried with enabling flight mode. I also checked any startup items in OSX. Disabled Time maschine and also onedrive.
It looks like the spikes are more frequently when the track with Avenger is selected / monitoring. Also when having the Avenger
Plugin window open it seems a bit better.

Hope this can be sorted as Avenger is my main driver

[msvs]

ripoff ... hmm
You get a LOT more than with a Nexus expansion. beside the presets its: Samples, Wavetables, Shapes, Granular Samples, Multiloops, Drumkits, Arp presets, all macros assigned & everything full editable. An Avenger expansion pack is easily a work of 4-6 months /fulltime each day. Therefore the price is very reasonable and because of the extra stuff its 5€ more expansive than a Nexus XP. Its a professional product and especially music Professionals can deduct their buying from their tax, making the packs 30-50% cheaper instantly. Its not just a Sylenth Soundset. You get more. Much more.
Say please dont say ripoff, just say you dont want to /or cant spend that much money. And thats fine.

After all, Avenger is a full editable synth with tons of content already on board and external packs are not "required" to work with it at all.

[Influx808]

I think avenger is really cool and I'm 100% happy and certain not a ripoff

[DanielPL]

ripoff ... hmm
You get a LOT more than with a Nexus expansion. beside the presets its: Samples, Wavetables, Shapes, Granular Samples, Multiloops, Drumkits, Arp presets, all macros assigned & everything full editable. An Avenger expansion pack is easily a work of 4-6 months /fulltime each day. Therefore the price is very reasonable and because of the extra stuff its 5€ more expansive than a Nexus XP. Its a professional product and especially music Professionals can deduct their buying from their tax, making the packs 30-50% cheaper instantly. Its not just a Sylenth Soundset. You get more. Much more.
Say please dont say ripoff, just say you dont want to /or cant spend that much money. And thats fine.

After all, Avenger is a full editable synth with tons of content already on board and external packs are not "required" to work with it at all.

I think that was an isolated opinion and most don't think of it that way. Avenger expansions are affordable, especially during sales. They are made with high quality. The main difference between Avenger and Nexus is you can make your own sounds with the former.
You get c.a. 130 presets besides all additional stuff Manuel has mentioned above. There's nothing to complain about - for example for Spire you get average 60-70 presets for 15-30$.
Much respect for your work Manuel.

[Ohlson_M]

Perhaps the biggest value is how much you learn from an expansion, sound design wise. Either reverse engineering presets or tweak them to create your own unique sound. One expansion can be used as a basis for creating custom ones.

[zvenx]

The bottom line valuation of price of a product is really what people are willing to pay for it, I believe.

I spend thousands of dollars each year on music gear/equipment as over 90% of my income comes from music. For me they are overpriced, but that's it.. 'For me!!'..

Two banks are almost the price of the Repro duet from u-he, for me the best sounding synths I have heard, hardware or software.
But then again I would spend way more on 65Euros for great sample content for Kontakt for orchestral/world because of the projects I do, I need those.

If I was doing EDM or its siblings, I am sure my views on the cost of the Avenger Banks probably might be different.

For many others they aren't overpriced. More power to vengeance and those who think they are worth it.

rsp

[Bartone]

In the Anger home page it still say it uses Code Meter: “ Avenger uses CodeMeter protection, that means you have 3 activations for your computers and you can activate/de-activate them in your Avenger account page. You do NOT need a USB dongle for Avenger! Computers are software activated and refresh their license automatically all 90 days. The use of a dongle is optional. If you use one you need a WIBU Key CodeMeter Dongle (at least version 3).”
https://www.vengeance-sound.com/plugins ... %20Avenger

I thought it does not use code meter no more?

[Bla28]

yes, buffer size should definately raised when encountering spikes

I use the RME Babyface pro FS at 256 buffer at 44.1 khz. Even 512 is creating the spikes. I can easily spot the spikes in the Bitwig performance graph.
Normally I can run projects with many vst instrument at 128 or 64 buffer without issues. I replaced the 3 instances of Avenger with Diva, Falcon, Rapid and Pigments, duplicated those tracks once more and all is good even at 128 buffer.
Macbook M1 pro 14 inch 10-core/16gb Ram/1tb ssd

No programs running in background and also tried with enabling flight mode. I also checked any startup items in OSX. Disabled Time maschine and also onedrive.
It looks like the spikes are more frequently when the track with Avenger is selected / monitoring. Also when having the Avenger
Plugin window open it seems a bit better.

Hope this can be sorted as Avenger is my main driver

Thanks. I have a M1 Pro MBP, so I should also avoid this plugin based on what I am hearing?

In the end, people told me not buy Nexus and now Avenger turns out to be crap too.

So in the end, I should buy nothing then is what I am hearing.

[Bartone]

yes, buffer size should definately raised when encountering spikes

I use the RME Babyface pro FS at 256 buffer at 44.1 khz. Even 512 is creating the spikes. I can easily spot the spikes in the Bitwig performance graph.
Normally I can run projects with many vst instrument at 128 or 64 buffer without issues. I replaced the 3 instances of Avenger with Diva, Falcon, Rapid and Pigments, duplicated those tracks once more and all is good even at 128 buffer.
Macbook M1 pro 14 inch 10-core/16gb Ram/1tb ssd

No programs running in background and also tried with enabling flight mode. I also checked any startup items in OSX. Disabled Time maschine and also onedrive.
It looks like the spikes are more frequently when the track with Avenger is selected / monitoring. Also when having the Avenger
Plugin window open it seems a bit better.

Hope this can be sorted as Avenger is my main driver

Thanks. I have a M1 Pro MBP, so I should also avoid this plugin based on what I am hearing?

In the end, people told me not buy Nexus and now Avenger turns out to be crap too.

So in the end, I should buy nothing then is what I am hearing.

There are some with M1 support working good if I remember correctly. U-he (maybe not all of their synths but some), also I think Dune3 had M1 support added. Vital maybe (not sure google what the situation is currently). And try to google if they work good with M1

Or just wait until Avenger works good with M1? I should think there will be update for Avenger that will fix the issues in some point?
M1 is quite new, but it seems more and more VST plug-ins are getting M1 support and sure there will be some issues and problems first but maybe they will be fixed.

I use windows so I don’t know what I’m talking about

[Touch The Universe]

I think I got some Avenger packs at 50% off, which is kind of okay. I would never, ever buy them at full price. Huge ripoff.

Haha, curious, with the guys who think this way, do you ever consider buying from 3rd party soundset designers?

I just released a bank 150 presets, unique multisamples, etc, for $17, starting price. I doubt it'll sell more than five. It's like. If a bank aint coming from them, and its 75 dollars, its nothing, haha. I don't get it. But I digress

[Touch The Universe]

Here is video showcase



Here is page to get two banks, 300 presets, for $29.

https://www.touch-the-universe.com/aven ... -main.html

[noiseboyuk]

Haha, curious, with the guys who think this way, do you ever consider buying from 3rd party soundset designers?

It's a crowded market these days. In general I think the two most important things are:

1 - Quality. I think the longer sound designers are around, the more their reputation for making good stuff becomes important. If The Unfinished or Luftrum releases a new sound set, immediately people are interested because they've worked long and hard to get there, and their reputation is deserved.

2 - Theme. There are so many ways to do this, but I think banks with a very clearly defined theme are likely to be more appealing - be that aggressive bass sounds, Trap vol 962, scandi murders or what have you.

[starflakeprj]

Trap vol 962..

Hahaha, thank for my biggest smile so far today

[rj0]

So, still V-Man, but no more CodeMeter?