KVR Audio

mauseoleum · Post by **mauseoleum** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:12 am

yeah I know those points - I had endless debates over these with some studio owner here when it was N1.5.3. He wanted to talk me into Nuendo and Reason (N was lot cheaper then) but I sticked with C and this year FLS. If Steinberg continues with maintaining same codebase there won't be much problems and sound differences when transfering authored songs from project to *real* studio for mix.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:50 am

real studio

Award for the most vague concept of the day!

Chickenman · Post by **Chickenman** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:54 am

I've got a real stbedroomdio

I'm sure he meant *expensive cos of many overheads like coffee for the engineer and $30k plus worth of equipment* studio.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:59 am

Kingston wrote:If you have to start fighting about nuendo, its high price and feature set vs. sx and insist on throwing protools in the mix as well, you might as well look at this thread:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthre ... adid=23616

OMFG - there's some TRUE high-end idiots over on that forum!
Fortunately those will just die away during the next few years.
And no, I'm not talking about crypticglove and the likes (their points are reasonable indeed).

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:06 am

OMFG - there's some TRUE high-end idiots over on that forum!
Fortunately those will just die away during the next few years.

You're damn right! Still, gearslutz is one of the best mixing and recording related resources on the net if you know whos posts to look for. There's some serious experience and good advice there as well as some big trustworthy names behind those nicks..

Unfortunately, those high-end idiots are not about to go away as long as the american gearslut scene exists. Sometimes you just wanna go there and kick their heads in for spreading so much biased miss-information. Sometimes even some of the big players manage to produce such massive brain farts that will make you whinge for days. I'm thinking "fletcher". (most of his advice is good, just beware of the *BIAS*)

Chickenman · Post by **Chickenman** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:48 pm

Kingston wrote: Unfortunately, those high-end idiots are not about to go away as long as the american gearslut scene exists. Sometimes you just wanna go there and kick their heads in for spreading so much biased miss-information.

I'm in... three more and we got ourselves a Posse

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:32 pm

scandipandy wrote:
Kingston wrote:sounds like the average "professional post production" pricing. ie. it's not good enough unless it costs a lot. Welcome to the world of protools.
The Protools host is FREE, just get a great soundcard (like Mbox) for $400 and you have a killer host app included.

Stop bashing on protools in a Steinberg thread

Kingston wrote:Go figure.
Yes, figure scating is a favorite hobby of mine

Man prootools is so useless an only for elite gear snobs.

atomic_(no)afro · Post by **atomic_(no)afro** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:41 pm

Man this thread has made my day. There is nothing like a good old fashioned software flame to put a grin on one's face.

ATA

Chickenman · Post by **Chickenman** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:47 am

atomic_afro wrote: Man this thread has made my day. There is nothing like a good old fashioned software flame to put a grin on one's face.

ATA

Who the f**k are you? Coming at us with all the insults and depravity.... no-one asked for your stinkass opinion and now you've gone and upset me

That is a joke btw, a total waste of everyones time.

Chur,

Toby.

fishbowl.tucson.az · Post by **fishbowl.tucson.az** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:56 am

Chickenman wrote:I've got a real stbedroomdio

I'm sure he meant *expensive cos of many overheads like coffee for the engineer and $30k plus worth of equipment* studio.

I know one place that spent more than that on the control room door and window.

Hell, I think I have close to that in my stuff; if I count my pianos, I'm way past it.

fishbowl.tucson.az · Post by **fishbowl.tucson.az** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:03 am

HanafiH wrote: Well that's a shame. I don't like Steinberg or its products but I was looking forward to seeing how a protected offering would survive in the market.

<conspiracy theory="plausible">
Steinberg SAW how a truly successful protection fared, panicked, and seeded the crack.
</conspiracy>

fishbowl.tucson.az · Post by **fishbowl.tucson.az** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:30 am

Kingston wrote:remember some of the people in that thread are oldschool mixer dudes who know very little about the most current versions and features and seem very biased about things as well)

I'm not sure how to muster respect for that sort of attitude. It goes way beyond just the music industry. It gets into how people ignore the technology developing around them and then wonder how they got left behind, unemployable, etc.

I see the phenomemon everywhere, though. I regard it as a weakness, a sign that you lack passion for what you do. That's all it can be, because anyone with any passion for their work, would have a voracious appetite for ANY information that could even possibly affect them. Particularly, if tools, techonologies, or techniques are developed. How could they not?

I wouldn't hire a C programmer who hasn't bothered to learn Java. I wouldn't hire a Windows Administrator who hasn't even been curious enough to once, ever, set up a Linux box by now. Any more than I'd take my car to a mechanic who stopped learning about cars before they had fuel injection, and only knows carbuerators. (I really don't care how experienced you are, or WERE, if you chose to be stagnant like that, well, like I said, I don't know how I'm supposed to respect someone who lives life that way.)

It's great that you cut your teeth on 2" tape and mixing for vinyl. Why'd you commit intellectual suicide by not keeping up with the times?

That's how I see it.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:25 am

atomic_afro wrote: Man this thread has made my day. There is nothing like a good old fashioned software flame to put a grin on one's face.

ATA

I'll have you know this a state of the art, dongle protected flame, with digital time stretching and in-place coruscation.

Are you using a cracked flame? Huh? Huh?

mauseoleum · Post by **mauseoleum** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:12 am

Award for the most vague concept of the day!

Hey, thanks! So while gearslutz and likes were mentioned I assumed it was pretty selbsverstandlich that I pointed to a facility which offers proffessional service to paying clients in a controled, calibrated and predictable environment as opposed to a facility buid predominantly to author owner's own material or to deliver authored audio(visual) material to a specifically built facility for further refinement in terms of further adjusting track levels and frequency space, according to commonly accepted standards, under guidance of a trained proffessional.

It hurts typing that much - somebody please invent telepathy.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:30 am

I pointed to a facility which offers proffessional service to paying clients in a controled, calibrated and predictable environment as opposed to a facility buid predominantly to author owner's own material or to deliver authored audio(visual) material to a specifically built facility for further refinement in terms of further adjusting track levels and frequency space, according to commonly accepted standards, under guidance of a trained proffessional.

The concept of real studio is infinitely flexible. What you said about professional studio spaces can be also done at "home", if skilled enough. Hence the vagueness of the concept. Then again what you mentioned probably applies to the average KVR user pretty well.

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