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Exit Zero · Post by **Exit Zero** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:41 pm

Recently tried to prepare a new tune and ended up running for my old friend...

Ease of use and inspiration...

Duh. Why'd I think anything else could replace it?

Let's keep hope alive until Jo returns....

More about why Muzys still rocks: http://digitalmusicianx.com/home/module ... wtopic&t=4

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:10 am

Yeah - nothing better.
I'm still slogging it out with eXT myself.

I want to be comfortable with it in the event that Muzys ends up being an impossibility.

But I still miss my Muzys.

Caleb

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:34 am

Caleb wrote:Yeah - nothing better.
I'm still slogging it out with eXT myself.

I only had the CM version of Muzys, but it seemd a little alien to me. (I have to admit that I didn't give it too much of a chance.) I recently downloaded Tracktion, and I found it more intuitive than Muzys. You might want to give Tracktion a chance, especially since you can now get the current version for free.

McLilith

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:22 am

Thanks for the tip.
I actually did try out Traktion and I ran from the room screaming. Shortly after I removed it from my harddrive.

I do now have it again before it's free for download. I was thinking I might keep it around for FinalMix to see how good it is as a master application.

Every once in a while I still might try to get the hang of it - but I REALLY didn't like it.

Caleb

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:42 am

Caleb wrote: I'm still slogging it out with eXT myself.

Logic here, although I'm settiling in now...

I want to be comfortable with it in the event that Muzys ends up being an impossibility.

My sentiments exactly!
I haven't "run for my old friend" in months *on purpose*, call it kicking the habit if you will, I have made using Muyzs illegal here in Bonte-Land as it were, as a means get over it.
Fortunately it's on a different harddisk (old OS etc etc), so using it is a bit of a hassle to start with.....
...but deep down in the recesses of my limbic system, the hope lives on, and a little Muyzs logo shines....

Marco

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:13 am

Marco we may need to have a couple of stiff drinks together if the Muzys dream is at an end.

Might be difficult since we're continents apart. We'll just have to agree on a time. Can't remember if you're a scotch man or not but I'll be sinking a few single malts in memorandum.

Caleb

lepwisk · Post by **lepwisk** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:42 am

uh oh... seems like another misty-eyed "woe is us for the loss of Muzys" thread might be developing!

kalkin · Post by **kalkin** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:37 am

Still the only host I use

. Though I'm familiar enough with most of the major ones just in case

Exit Zero · Post by **Exit Zero** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:45 pm

I'm addicted. It's the only app that gets the creative juices really flowing for me. And, it's a dramatic difference from any other app.

For example: I'm currently trying to bust out a tune for a competition and I have a deadline. I'm putting all the sounds together in Energy XT standalone and I'm trying to get inspired with some ideas. As I'm putting things together, chopping up audio, making sampler patches and such I'm just feeling, "Ugh, nothing coming from the sampler is moving me." And all of a sudden I realized (like a nicotine fit) how it used to be inside Muzys. Remembering how I would add samples and almost instantly hear a new idea. My god, with the Muzynth...cmon.

And yeah, I got more done on that song in one day in Muzys then I did for almost 2 weeks in XT. Jorgen, if by chance you read this, only know I still think XT is an incredible app. In fact, there were times inside Muzys where I was lusting for the robust routing capabilities of XT. And, when Ableton was claiming they would never support vsti's (go figure) XT allowed me to thumb my nose at them.

But the minute I was back in happy Muzys land (I know, I'm addicted.

) I was literally laughing out loud like the first time I discovered Muzys. And I, at first, came from a "big host" (Logic and Sonar) kind of world. Muzys was an epiphony.

I say use the best tool you have in your shed. Another example, I'm also a kite builder, and I could never really replace the awesome older Pfaff sewing machine I have. It sews ripstop nylon better than anything new you could buy today, even a new Pfaff.

If I was a betting man, I'd say Jo will be back with a new product that will insipre us all again. Yeah, I was one of the most vocal, and pissed off Muzers when we saw the ship going down. But I just can't ignore this mightly program until something else really floors me.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:49 am

hey very interesting, .... in laymens terms what is so great about muzys to you guys...minus the spiritual embellishments of course.

i've got so many versions of cm with muzys on it but i'd like to know what you experienced users are really liking about it.

thanks

-bread

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:09 pm

It's probably a very personal way of approaching composition. Muzys doesn't tell me how to put a song together. It keeps the structure and content clearly separate, which I find essential. Live 4, for example, just feels far too cluttered. I've not given Tracktion a proper spin yet - mostly because it felt cluttered as soon as I had a single instance of sfz loaded.

So, I can write a bar and loop it, copy it, have one copy going to a bass line and the other to percussion. I can record a 24 bar section along side that. I can replace seven bars of the bassline with a short riff, say, without getting told off or having to fiddle around with any settings - just drag'n'drop edits.

Structural edits are trivial.

Editing the note/trigger content is equally easy with some very powerful tools.

Some people really can't grasp that you're not editing the sound content ever when you're editing the structure or notes/triggers.

It's got fair support for sound content. I think MuZynth is a fantastic digital synth - and I'm sure it appeals enormously to people who like crafting sounds. As a sampler, it leaves a few things out (like streaming) and it's not that easy to set up patches for (I'm a big sfz format fan, of course!). The audio editor is also okay.

I love the synth rack and mixing desk - although it's now getting to look a little old and inflexible. After adding MacOSX support, we were hoping this is what Jo would address next... Oh, and it had a fantastic, responsive, communicative developer.

Oh well... I still don't need to use anything else.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:54 pm

wow! implying that muzys is less cluttered than live 4 (my main app btw) is a big statement, this makes me even more curious...time to break out the ole cm disk

kääriäinen · Post by **kääriäinen** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:26 pm

CM Muzys was and is the first and only sequencer I have learned the use. It´s so easy and fast make music instantly, e.g. compose and edit loops. I don´t really need so much features that I hardly ever need. With muzys I´m still scratching the surface. CM edition is showing it´s limitations. God damn it, there´s no upgrade to full version no longer available. Now I´m beginning to consider Traction.

Exit Zero · Post by **Exit Zero** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:30 pm

stale bread wrote:wow! implying that muzys is less cluttered than live 4 (my main app btw) is a big statement, this makes me even more curious...time to break out the ole cm disk

Yeah, and in the old Muzys forum here (now gone) I posted a msg that chronicled how I had made a pretty killer drum and bass track with just Cmuzys.

But once you've been "corrupted" by the mighty Muzynth (only available on version 3, sorry) Cmuzys pales in comparison.

One thing that hasn't been emphasized enough about Muzys which was the MAJOR selling point for me, was stability. After struggling with buggy hosts like Sonar and Cubase, I finally saw the light with Emagic Logic. Then, Apple goes and ruins all the fun. (I'm a PC guy.) It was during this time, that I discovered Muzys. Just as or even more stable than Logic, I had found my new workflow. Logic was overkill anyway for what I want to do which is electronic music using drum machines, vst softsynths and samples. Well, while Muzys has no streaming, it still was the swiss army knife of working with samples imho. I also don't have much need for linear track audio recording, since 85% of what I do is programmed/sequenced.

lepwisk · Post by **lepwisk** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:00 pm

Exit Zero wrote:
But once you've been "corrupted" by the mighty Muzynth (only available on version 3, sorry) Cmuzys pales in comparison.

One thing that hasn't been emphasized enough about Muzys which was the MAJOR selling point for me, was stability.

"Corrupted"! Try SPOILED!

What got me hooked on Muzys was the Loop Composer. I enjoy making music through live performance of presequenced MIDI loops. Muzys's earlier incranation of Mboom provided me with the only software sequencer I could find that seemed optimized for live performance. The developer then proceeded to add audio support, VST and VSTi support, and then that killer Muzynth.

Think of it... an app that has a really flexible MIDI sequencer, an amazing built-in audio processor, full VST support, free upgrades (until soon, I hope)... and for $75 USD.

I can also attest to it's stability. It has never crashed on me during any live performance. Glitched when pushed too hard, yes, but crash no.

Creative Nirvana still exists in Muzys