2022 DAW Predictions

[pdxindy]

In terms of the chip, yeah for you it makes them not useful, but for the rest of us, this new chip is fantastic.

The new chips are freakin awesome!

Fast and cool and efficient...

[apoclypse]

In terms of the chip, yeah for you it makes them not useful, but for the rest of us, this new chip is fantastic.

The new chips are freakin awesome!

Fast and cool and efficient...

Also quiet. I've thrown mega sessions at the thing and I've not heard the fans at all. Took me by surprise considering my 13" MBP spins the fan when I'm just browsing the internet or going on a Webex call.

[pdxindy]

In terms of the chip, yeah for you it makes them not useful, but for the rest of us, this new chip is fantastic.

The new chips are freakin awesome!

Fast and cool and efficient...

Also quiet. I've thrown mega sessions at the thing and I've not heard the fans at all. Took me surprise considering my 13" MBP spins the fan when I'm just growing the internet or going on a Webex call.

Indeed... I have not heard a peep from it yet!! So satisfying!!

[machinesworking]

If you asked me what my favourite synths were, the ones I get the greatest pleasure from working with, it would be JP6K, bx_oberhausen, Olga and TRK-01 Bass - the four simplest synths I have.

When I first started in with soft synths I bought Reason and Pluggo. Reasons synths in 2001 were all pretty basic and I used them for years. I never really looked around for straight subtractive synths since I've owned a Memorymoog forever. So Reasons basic Subtractor was good enough, since if I wanted "fat" sounding subtractive that was covered. Pluggo also included some super basic Max/MSP based subtractive synths which worked opposite the moog. You learn early on if you pay attention that not every sound in a mix should be huge, fat or whatever BS descriptive you want to give, that simpler sounds cut through. Even when I started this was true, we used a TX81Z, Mirage and the Memorymoog for everything, and it works. The TX81Z cuts through.

Definitly making me think about getting Olga again, I never bought Oberhausen because I already like the OB-1 in V-Collection, and thanks for the heads up on TRK-01 Bass, I've not spent any time with it, owned Komplete since V2.

That's something I definitely understand and DP does look pretty damned good. But they all look pretty damned good so I figure on sticking with the one I've just spent a year or so learning how to get the most from. But DP is definitely where I'd be looking if we ever came across a showstopper with S1. (I couldn't tell you why I don't much like Cubase but I just don't.

Cubase is strange that way, my only thought on it is it's too vanilla, it does everything well, but there's no moment when using it where you're like "this is the best in class, this is how they all should be!" That just never happens when I use it. Even Reaper had that moment using it, the bounce options are fantastic, you really can't do much better. (of course there are dozens of areas where Reaper feels like it's a workaround but that's another story).

[BONES]

AFA complete rebuilds, poppycock, it's entirely possible to fix any issue on OS X without reinstalling the OS, the OS is far more protected than Windows is with the registry, but what happens often, is people learn one way to do something and they apply it across all platforms, i.e. slow access to a drive equals rebuild the OS, which is a registry corruption solution from Windows, not a Mac OS thing at all.

That's because they are professionals and know from long experience that it's faster and easier just to rebuild them than to try and track down multiple issues. I work in TV and I've been working on Macs for 23 years. Long before I started, everyone else worked on Mac so I think that our broadcast engineering team are probably a little more familiar with the best solutions than the likes of you or I.

To be fair here, that Windows bug may have a solution, but it's not forthcoming right now. As of a couple months ago, there was absolutely no good solution to that disk full bug, even after days of searching the web and applying all kinds of supposed solutions.

The thing is, though, that until you mentioned it, I'd never even heard of it so it probably affects 0.01% of users. The problem is that even 0.01% of Windows users is hundreds of users, more than enough to kick up a fuss on line but probably nowhere near enough for it to take any kind of priority at Microsoft.

Don't particularly care for the notification center, reminds me of the Windows Startup menu, which no Windows power user I've ever known uses.

"Startup menu"? Do you mean the folder you can put things in so they start when Windows does? It disappeared ages ago, for no good reason I can see. Or do you mean Start? Because Start in Win 10 is absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, the all-time greatest application launcher in the history of computing. What they have done in Windows 11 is an absolute travesty.

[THE INTRANCER]

Or do you mean Start? Because Start in Win 10 is absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, the all-time greatest application launcher in the history of computing.

I find it to be a pain in the arse and why switched back to the Window 7 one using this. (It doesn't replace Windows 10's files, it adds it on like a system utility)

http://www.classicshell.net/

[machinesworking]

That's because they are professionals and know from long experience that it's faster and easier just to rebuild them than to try and track down multiple issues. I work in TV and I've been working on Macs for 23 years. Long before I started, everyone else worked on Mac so I think that our broadcast engineering team are probably a little more familiar with the best solutions than the likes of you or I.

From experience this isn't how it pans out, IT departments at TV stations aren't magically filled with the best techs. You would agree most people are lazy, and don't care if it's a longer inconvenience, so they take the easiest route, not the smartest or fastest route. You may recall an early musical partner of mine worked at Apple for over 20 years, doing some high end math, and hardware QA. I run my thoughts by him when talking about their OS. I've also seen way too many IT department types literally apply Windows fixes to Mac issues, and this seems like the case with your guys.

The thing is, though, that until you mentioned it, I'd never even heard of it so it probably affects 0.01% of users. The problem is that even 0.01% of Windows users is hundreds of users, more than enough to kick up a fuss on line but probably nowhere near enough for it to take any kind of priority at Microsoft.

I can agree with that, but .01% of users is one in a thousand, so yeah a lot more than hundreds of users.

So with this bug, I had a similar situation, not as crippling but still annoying where a Mac OS (High Sierra I believe?) release had a RAM swap space bug that only showed up when you tried installing large sample libraries, disk too full error pop ups on a drive that had plenty of room. This took me a few hours of searching to find similar cases and a solution, command line, but relatively painless. I get the impression your tech department would have hijacked your Macs for 24 hours while they reinstalled the OS.

"Startup menu"? Do you mean the folder you can put things in so they start when Windows does? It disappeared ages ago, for no good reason I can see. Or do you mean Start? Because Start in Win 10 is absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, the all-time greatest application launcher in the history of computing. What they have done in Windows 11 is an absolute travesty.

No that stupid launcher they tried to introduce around the time that Gates was pushing touch interface tech. With the big panels not chosen by anyone. My bad it was Windows 8 that introduced it, I really didn't mess with it much, but every user I knew hated it. This thing....

Not to mention Vista... basically you forget that Windows has pulled this same shit, neither is guilt free of hiring new management that decides that they need to make a "mark" on the OS...

[fairlyclose]

Because Start in Win 10 is absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, the all-time greatest application launcher in the history of computing. What they have done in Windows 11 is an absolute travesty.

works same for most of whaat i do - start typing app name and app appears to open

[cantaloupe]

For something that basic and without visual feedback, I would rather buy a hardware solution. If you are not going to have the benefits of the computer, no point to have the drawbacks.

I still get the benefits of the computer though.
Visual feedback is a drawback of the computer, not a feature, as i see it.
What are the drawbacks, as you see it?

I used to make music with hardware only, but i prefer the computer (many reasons).

I also don't consider this whole thing 'basic' - it is probably pretty difficult to design it just right. It is about solving a specific issue in an elegant way, not necessarily about being barebones per se.

[pdxindy]

For something that basic and without visual feedback, I would rather buy a hardware solution. If you are not going to have the benefits of the computer, no point to have the drawbacks.

I still get the benefits of the computer though.
Visual feedback is a drawback of the computer, not a feature, as i see it.
What are the drawbacks, as you see it?

I used to make music with hardware only, but i prefer the computer (many reasons).

I also don't consider this whole thing 'basic' - it is probably pretty difficult to design it just right. It is about solving a specific issue in an elegant way, not necessarily about being barebones per se.

The drawbacks of the computer... it's a computer... it's not a dedicated audio recorder. No faders, mic inputs, ad/da converters, level meters, etc.

So with the computer you will still need to buy hardware... an audio interface and midi controller. Except all that will have less immediacy and more latency than a dedicated hardware device that does all of it.

[cantaloupe]

The drawbacks of the computer... it's a computer... it's not a dedicated audio recorder. No faders, mic inputs, ad/da converters, level meters, etc.

So with the computer you will still need to buy hardware... an audio interface and midi controller. Except all that will have less immediacy and more latency than a dedicated hardware device that does all of it.

Why would it necessarily have less immediacy though? That seems to be more coincidence than anything else. Why can't a laptop be more or less an Elektron Octatrack or a Portastudio? (not saying they should be 1:1, just generally speaking.)

And additionally, a computer is: accessible, portable, universal, affordable, frugal, with existing support for a wealth of interfaces, native synthesizers, effects, standards, and it is future-proof, controller-agnostic, with great potential for open source, tons of buttons natively etc. Latency and immediacy really is no inherent issue with a computer, compared to anything else.

And i would argue you don't need to buy hardware at all. It does have 100 buttons and an X/Y controller after all - it just isn't utilised in a meaningful way in most DAWs.

Computers are hardware, just very inefficient ones (on a software level, not a hardware/mechanical level), for reasons i contribute purely to historical anomalies of design.

It is a bit like trying to explain trackers relative to traditional DAWs (in a timeline where trackers somehow didn't already exist) - people wouldn't understand the workflow or the point of it all, while the benefits are obvious to anyone who has ever used one.

[pdxindy]

Why would it necessarily have less immediacy though? That seems to be more coincidence than anything else. Why can't a laptop be more or less an Elektron Octatrack or a Portastudio? (not saying they should be 1:1, just generally speaking.)

It is irrelevant what it potentially could be. The computer IS less immediate. And it cannot do what an Elektron box can do... not even close.

But hey, you are welcome to think what you want. I've given my thoughts on it and there is nothing else to say. Good luck to you...

[BONES]

From experience this isn't how it pans out, IT departments at TV stations aren't magically filled with the best techs.

That's a pretty big generalisation, there. It's a very specialised business so not all of them know any more about computers than I do but the guys who keep all our machines running are as good as any I've seen, on par with the tech support guys I worked with at Discreet/Autodesk.

You would agree most people are lazy

Lazy doesn't last long in broadcast TV, there is simply no time to be lazy. 6 hours of live-to-air news a day, along with dozens of promos for dozens of shows/movies that have to made, approved and scheduled before anyone goes home. I've worked on 7 things today that will all go to air tonight. If anyone in that chain was lazy, it wouldn't happen day after day.

too many IT department types literally apply Windows fixes to Mac issues, and this seems like the case with your guys.

Absolute f**king bullshit. Everyone else in the universe can't be wrong, just so you can be right, and my experience where i work now is no different to the three other networks I worked at, nor at the dozen or more post-production houses where I've worked, nor at the three different colleges where I have taught (although if there was going to be anywhere the techs were useless, it is in tertiary education). Everywhere I have ever worked where there have been Macs, they have created more problems than the PCs I've worked on. Every. Single. Place.

I can agree with that, but .01% of users is one in a thousand, so yeah a lot more than hundreds of users.

It's actually one in 10,000 - 1% is 1-100, 0.1% is 1-1,000, 0.01% is 1-10,000.

[fairlyclose]

(although if there was going to be anywhere the techs were useless, it is in tertiary education).

the Uni's I taught at in Australia varied enormously - at one all the (small) tech support was fantastic, knowledgeable and supportive, at another much bigger uni they varied from sadistic and deliberately sabotaging staff they didnt like, to so risk averse that the systems were so locked down as to be almost useless, to great, friendly and as good as you could hope for. At another much more targeted department in another city the staff were less knowledgeable in general IT but good skills and very helpful in the core domain of the department.

[cantaloupe]

there is nothing else to say.

An actual argument could be a start, but whatever

Good luck to you...

thanks