It's time for REASON 3 beta testing ...

[xg2]

Acolmiztli, headquest, drez, I'm with you there. But y'all better prepare to be derided as "fanboys" by those whose spare time is spent in gleeful, destructive criticism of something they don't intend to buy.

Yes, how stupid of me not to want to buy something I don't like! I should "intend to buy" a program I don't like, right?

Talk about a dumb argument! Are you seriously criticising me, or anybody else, for criticising a program I "don't intend to buy"? Isn't that a bit obvious?

A few minutes of my "spare time" is spent criticising Reason, because it needs to be said. Because the mags. sure as hell aren't going to criticise it.

Calling me a fanboy doesn't work terribly well, but that doesn't mean someone won't try it. =^_^=

Meffy

It doesn't matter what they call you, Reason's shortcomings are obvious, and Reason 3 will prove this even more.

Welcome to the real world. VSTs exist. Reason isn't compatible with them. Therefore it's out of date.

Go back and read some of the fanboys' comments about it: 'I can twiddle to my heart's content' - can't you do that with VSTs?
'It's really stable' - when was the last time Renoise crashed on me? Over a year ago.

[xg2]

HI

If the Piano-Roll in Reason had been more to MY taste I wouldn't be spending so much bloody money on other programs, I really hope they enhance this aspect as the rest IMO is pretty functional.

Flipper.

I'm beginning to suspect there may be no changes there, which would be a pity, I think. I would certainly like to see a paint brush tool (for the drum lane) among other things.

Don't expect too much, even Cubase SX's piano roll is utter rubbish compared to Music Studio Independence. Actual usability doesn't seem to matter to these programmers, as long as they have 'improvements' to the rest of the program, who cares if they've actually bothered to make it easier to write and edit your music?

Look at Music Studio Independence for how to write a perfect piano roll editor.

[Meffy]

how stupid of me

Couldn't have said it better myself.

*applause*

Now you come back with more ot the same, and I yawn again. It's fun!

Meffy

[xg2]

This bastard better be a vst loader or i (and i'm sure many of you) will be damn well pissed off. Even god damn fruity loops let's you load vsti's. How god damn long will it take.

It will only happen when enough people wise up and stop buying it. And when the mags. stop hyping it up as the next best thing, which will never happen.

I say - good luck to them. Let them keep it free from VST - no skin off my nose. It's just sad to watch newcomers to computer music being taken in by "the whole rack of synths" that Reason offers, when they don't know that just about every other program is far more powerful, simply because they support VST.

If any other music program came out, that didn't support VST, this negative point would be made very clear in every review of it, and it would get severely marked down because of it. i.e. "Lack of VST support" would be in bold letters, in the 'Cons' section.

Funny how Reason can do no wrong. But if people still buy it, then I can't blame the Props. for not changing it that much.

Deggy - vote with your mouse. Use another, VST compatible, program. Tell the Props. where to shove Reason.

I can see it all now...
Reason 3 comes out: the mags. (particularly that bastion of computer knowledge, Computer Music) praise it and hype it beyond all recognition. Another hundred thousand newcomers to music catch onto this hype and buy it. They then defend it like it's some new god, and go apeshit anybody points out its little 'problems'.

when will dickheads like you get it into their thick skulls that Reason is NOT a vst host so Propellerheads DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE VST SUPPORT!!

Oh dear...
Somebody's thrown their rattle out of the pram...

Reason may not be a VST host NOW, but there's no reason they couldn't have made it one in the first place, nor in the future. But they thought they'd be clever and ignore VST. It just won't wash any more.
Your laughable response is typical of a Reason lover who can't face the crippled nature of their 'love', and every day, as more and more VSTs come out, it looks more and more crippled...

If you buy a car are you going to complain you can't fly it? If you buy a hardware synth are you going to complain you can load it as a VST in Cubase? If you buy a mixing desk, are you going to complain it can't make toast. Get it into your tiny little fuckhead brain..

Well argued...

Reason WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A VST HOST AND IT WILL NEVER BLOODY HAVE TOO BE ONE!!!

That's "HAVE TO", not "TOO"...
It WILL have to be one, if they want to actually sell any copies of it in the future. How long do you think they can carry on ignoring the most popular synth format in the world?
Should they not have ASIO support, and get rid of stereo output? Then you could 'Rewire' TWO session of Reason to get stereo output! That's a GREAT idea! So 'retro', right? Perhaps we can all think up some more stupid 'crippleware' functions they could put into it. Perhaps they could make it so that each time you want to open a new synth up in Reason, you have to actually open up a NEW Reason session, and somehow wire them to each other, thus taking up even MORE system resources, but at least it would be more like "a whole rack of synths", right?

Who cares if it's the stupidest way to do something on a computer, right?

You Reason lovers really are hilarious.

It's a workstation, a scratch book, a rewire client.. AND NOT A f**king VST HOST.

It's not a very good 'workstation' though, is it? Because it doesn't offer VST support!

If you want a vst host, get something else..
and unlike idiots like you, most people check the specs of a software before they buy it, so very little people will be surprised to see it hasn't got VST support. But I'm guessing you were one of the idiots who didn't bother checking that and so now you're pissing on propellerheads because of your own stupidity
idiots

Huh?
Oh, I see...
You seriously think I actually BOUGHT that pile of rubbish, and THEN decided it didn't have VST support? VST support is the first thing I look for in a piece of music software!

Still, nice to see that the only possible reason a Reason lover can come up with for somebody 'dissing' their 'god' is that the aforementioned infidel was so stupid they actually BOUGHT Reason and THEN realised it didn't have VST support.

Still, I can forgive you for this, seeing as I'm one of the only people shouting from the rooftops: "Reason doesn't have VST support - don't buy it, you'll regret it!"

The mags. certainly didn't tell any of us this, did they?

[jens]

What a prick!

[xg2]

Spaceman, I knew what I was getting when I bought the software. That's true. I'm just pointing out how it could be a little better. That's all.

well.. all tools could be a bit better, they could, for instance, support everything and anyone and everything to come.. but the fact stays that as a company you set out your business plan and you plan your product accordingly (or visa versa). PH never meant to build a tool that can host VSTs so it's not even an issue.

Of COURSE it's an "issue". It's an issue because it doesn't matter what PH "planned", they are living in a real world with real people, and VSTs. And those real people want to use VSTs, and a lot of them are getting pissed off at having to open up ANOTHER app. just to Rewire it to Reason, to do what every other music program has been able to do for years - SUPPORT VSTs!

Your argument is stupid. Let's imagine that Reason only supported mono output, and you had to run TWO instances of it, and Rewire them together somehow, in order to get mere STEREO output. Would you then say "PH never planned to have stereo output, so it's not an issue"?
What a dumb argument! So PH are gods now?

Why talk about VST all the time when your talking about a product that has nothing to do with VST?

Because this is a VST website? Because Reason makes music, and most people use VSTs, and might want to use them in Reason? Because Reason is a computer music program, and could easily have VST support?

Duh.

As I said before, if you want software you're not going to buy hardware and complain it's not software.

And?
Reason is software. Crippleware, in fact.

Cubase could be made better as well by having the same low CPU load as Reason, or it could support Logic projects, or full DX support, or have a tracker.. but the fact is.. it's not what Cubase is about. And the same reasoning goes for Reason.

No it doesn't. VST is a standard. Nobody expects Cubase SX to have a tracker. Nobody's ever even asked for it, nor suggested it, to my knowledge. EVER. But plenty of people have been asking for VST support in Reason.
Of course, I don't WANT Reason to have VST support, because I don't want it to continue existing. I'm laughing as each new version comes out, obviously crippled, and the Reason lovers still fall over themselves trying to milk some excitement out of its latest feeble 'upgrades', while the rest of the music apps. out there are miles ahead of it.

Propellerhead would be in for a very tough ride if they had to rebuild Reason to support VSTs. Imagine all the dickheads complaining about some stupid freeware plug that doesn't run in Reason.

Yes, wouldn't that be awful...

You know, that's the ONLY (pathetic) argument I've heard for not having VST support.
So what if "dickheads" complained? What would happen? Would the sky fall in? Would PH have to refund their money, when it was obvious it was the VST that was to blame?

And tell me, Einstein, how does this NOT apply when you Rewire another app.?

Duh.

But again.. this is not even an issue because it doesn't support VSTs and it never meant too and frankly, it's not needed...

Yes, I forgot. "this is not even an issue". Sure it isn't. So why are so many people asking for VST support?
Go and look at the Reasonstation forum. Hilarious.

Reason works perfectly as intended by the makers, no more, no less

if you want other specs, buy something else

What a great selling point!

[vurt]

What a prick!

INDEED

[Sicklecell666]

What a prick!

INDEED

Anal Seepage?

[ezeeboogie]

What a prick!

It's quite amazing isn't it? He's relentless! Nothing stops the ranting...

Imagine what he's like in the pub!

[Meffy]

Any of y'all ever own a puppy or kitten who loved to play "fetch?" You toss a little piece wadded-up paper, and the puppy or kitten will dutifully chase after it, bat it all over the place, run madly here and there in an adorable display of mock fierceness, post eighty-two paragraphs of point-by-point refutations, bring tears of laughter to the eyes of the onlookers with its precious antics, then come trotting back, tongue lolling, big cute eyes rolling up in a charming mixture of worshipfulness with hope of praise, ready to chase again.

Reminds me of something but I can't quite put a finger on it... :-)

Meffy

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the whole point of not allowing 3rd party vsti is portability of songs.

I've already explained this before - I didn't realise there were still that many people on this planet who are this stupid...

If you want your songs to be 'portable', then just use FREE VSTs.

Simple.
Any problems with that?
No doubt you'll find some...

I can save my entire song and email it to a mate who can work on it for me and send it back. this would be so hard to organise when people have different plugins etc.

So just use FREE VSTs...

Why didn't YOU think of that? Because you want to believe in your 'god', that's why.

Of course, if your friend has Garritan Personal Orchestra, or Plugsound, or Reaktor, then you can use those too. But with Reason you can't.
So with VST support you have MORE choice. You don't HAVE to use it, but you have the CHOICE.
How is Reason better because of less choice?

if people dont like this lack of vsti then why not use another program that does.

I'm beginning to see a pattern here...

That's exactly what they ARE doing, Einstein!

[Meffy]

See? Isn't it CUTE?! =^_^= Told ya.

[Meffy]

Imagine what he's like in the pub!

(banned from them too)

[scandipandy]

Welcome to the real world. VSTs exist. Reason isn't compatible with them. Therefore it's out of date.

Welcome to my world. Sidechain exist. VST isn't compatible with them. Therefore it's out of date.

[vurt]

Welcome to my world. Xg2 exists.he is however noncompatible so will have to be [deleted]