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SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:07 pm

I probably agree- Live 11 was a massive update and Live was probably the 'most improved' DAW in 2021 for me.

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:24 pm

Yes. Great choice.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:26 pm

Cannot argue with that choice...

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:47 pm

pdxindy wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:26 pm Cannot argue with that choice...

You think overall Ableton Live 11 is better than Bitwig 4?

wuworld · Post by **wuworld** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:52 pm

I thought Studio One 5 was going to get it, but I guess adding the show page ruined it. Just kidding. I got FL 21, next year!

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:36 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:47 pm
pdxindy wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:26 pm Cannot argue with that choice...
You think overall Ableton Live 11 is better than Bitwig 4?

Ableton is doing good work improving Live in the past couple years, so I think Live 11 is a worthy choice, thus my comment.

I would pick Bitwig 4.1 over Live 11... which I did cause I use Bitwig near daily and Live 11 sits unused.

jlgrimes11 · Post by **jlgrimes11** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:45 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:47 pm
pdxindy wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:26 pm Cannot argue with that choice...
You think overall Ableton Live 11 is better than Bitwig 4?

I haven't really used Bitwig (played a bit with the demo).

Ableton feels a bit more mature and seems to have more well rounded effects, samplers that I have grown accustomed to.

That said I'm sure Bitwig has many features Ableton can learn from though (piano roll functions, clip launcher in arrange view, integrated modulation system), but some of this is a popularity contest. Ableton being older, has a wider user base. And as a Ableton user for 14 years, they do a pretty good job of listening to their user base. They can be slow on things but they do come through. I think that helps alot.

Ableton probably isn't the best DAW for mixing, recording bands, heavy Piano Roll use, but I feel it doesn't totally suck at anything either.

jlgrimes11 · Post by **jlgrimes11** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:48 pm

wuworld wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:52 pm I thought Studio One 5 was going to get it, but I guess adding the show page ruined it. Just kidding. I got FL 21, next year!

Show feature is great though. They really thought out the box with that. Alot of laptop live solutions can be cumbersome and their Show feature can turn your laptop rig into a ultimate show hardware keyboard with backing tracks (if you spend some time setting it up).

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:53 pm

I just saw the Ableton has midi comping. I can't understand why Bitwig didn't include midi comping, only audio.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:05 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:53 pm I just saw the Ableton has midi comping. I can't understand why Bitwig didn't include midi comping, only audio.

My guess, and it is entirely a guess, is that Bitwig was doing some work under the hood with midi. Maybe towards Midi 2.0. Same reason there is no midi out from the Grid I suspect.

The excellent thing about Bitwig comping is that it is clip based rather than track based. So each clip can have its own comp takes and one can comp in the Clip Launcher. Live only comps in Arrangement, not Session view.

I also like the clip based comping cause it integrates with all the other clip based editing in Bitwig. You can make a comp slice and edit its gain, pitch, pan, add randomization and operators and so on.

tactile_coast · Post by **tactile_coast** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:54 pm

Certainly popular but I don't think it can be reasonably argued that its 'the best'. I dont know if things are better now but I got so fed up with the constant crashing and instability shortly after the launch of 11 that I demoed Bitwig, switched the same day, sold my Ableton license a week later and have never looked back. For me at least Bitwig is everything I had hoped Ableton would be by now.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:10 am

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:46 am

That's about right. Ableton really stepped up its game with the release of v11 and even though Bitwig is still better for me, I'm watching the development of Live with excitement (and envy about some of the stuff, too).

Serhii Kot · Post by **Serhii Kot** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:58 am

My NY resolution is to use only one DAW the whole year. After long and painful decisions, I brought the list from Logic, S1, Cubase, Live, Bitwig to Live, and Bitwig. This is a really hard choice. I have only 5 days to make a decision. I will delete all others on December 31 and try to deal with my FOMO the whole year

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:02 am

AL: clip launcher, MIDI editor, included plugins like Operator, Simpler, effects etc. are better, M4L devices
BWS: arranger, mixer, routing, automation/modulation, audio editing so the core functionalities are more advanced/sophisticated (for ex. knows MIDI channels in its inner routing) ones

I've seen a pretty good comparison video

or https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html
look: AL 7 BWS 1 is khmm...

but otherwise I can agree with it

MusicTech Gear Of The Year: Best DAW of 2021- Live 11