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Serhii Kot · Post by **Serhii Kot** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:09 am

I watched this video yesterday. Pretty good comparison. I agree with most of the arguments.
If bitwig has had at least midi capture it would be an easy decision.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:39 am

^^^ to the missing MSEG part, 4stages can be triggered from the Grids

3.6 ... not great not terrible but yepp MSEG is a missing part of BWS for sure

but at least I don't start endless tweaking sessions with it (4Stage already a huge temptation), to the color part: frequencies are color-coded in Bitwig so

not worth comparing their numbers (although BWS 4.1 contains new sets)

and yepp Bitwig hasn't got freezing, luckily 'Bounce in Place' works on group tracks too(on meta clips) which is not the same but at least a usable workaround

boark · Post by **boark** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:37 am

Serhii Kot wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:58 am My NY resolution is to use only one DAW the whole year. After long and painful decisions, I brought the list from Logic, S1, Cubase, Live, Bitwig to Live, and Bitwig. This is a really hard choice. I have only 5 days to make a decision. I will delete all others on December 31 and try to deal with my FOMO the whole year

Cubase, because version 12 is coming in 2022. You can buy it when it's released and somewhat satiate your FOMO!

Serhii Kot · Post by **Serhii Kot** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:48 am

boark wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:37 am
Serhii Kot wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:58 am My NY resolution is to use only one DAW the whole year. After long and painful decisions, I brought the list from Logic, S1, Cubase, Live, Bitwig to Live, and Bitwig. This is a really hard choice. I have only 5 days to make a decision. I will delete all others on December 31 and try to deal with my FOMO the whole year
Cubase, because version 12 is coming in 2022. You can buy it when it's released and somewhat satiate your FOMO!

Cubase is great, I know it pretty well. But many great features implemented not so well. It reminds me FL Studio sometimes, with it’s endless menu diving.

Also cubase has outdated routing, no fx or instrument racks or splitter like in S1.

No folder groups. (folder + bus)

No macro controls. No proper modulation system etc.

No fullscreen on mac.

No proper support for the apple trackpad.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:00 pm

^^^ "Also cubase has outdated routing, no fx or instrument racks or splitter like in S1" it can be survived with plugin wrappers Patchwork, Unify etc. the bigger problem yepp "No macro controls. No proper modulation system etc." together with

plugin controls from 7:30 this is where Cubase is bleeding (Bitwig also works similarly with F8)

versus

that's not really the same thing, S1 is a better it has at least macros, but still there is no modulation (ofc for ex. MIDI orchestration supporting missing from both AL/BWS so there is no one DAW to rule them all, this is why the weighting system is handy on https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html )

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:03 pm

Serhii Kot wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:58 am My NY resolution is to use only one DAW the whole year. After long and painful decisions, I brought the list from Logic, S1, Cubase, Live, Bitwig to Live, and Bitwig. This is a really hard choice. I have only 5 days to make a decision. I will delete all others on December 31 and try to deal with my FOMO the whole year

The thing to remember in making such a choice is that every single one of those DAW's is plenty capable of serving most peoples musical needs. It is easy to get caught up in feature comparisons but if any one of those DAW's was the only one you had available, it would work just fine. So pick a DAW and have a great year making music!

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:48 pm

^^^ if it helps I've chosen FL Studio as scratchpad (using only one pattern in the Channel Rack) has midi capture (don't have to play with record button) and importing to the project to Bitwig ( https://www.bitwig.com/support/technica ... ts-flp-41/ ) and done

Serhii Kot · Post by **Serhii Kot** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:51 pm

pdxindy wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:03 pm
Serhii Kot wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:58 am My NY resolution is to use only one DAW the whole year. After long and painful decisions, I brought the list from Logic, S1, Cubase, Live, Bitwig to Live, and Bitwig. This is a really hard choice. I have only 5 days to make a decision. I will delete all others on December 31 and try to deal with my FOMO the whole year
The thing to remember in making such a choice is that every single one of those DAW's is plenty capable of serving most peoples musical needs. It is easy to get caught up in feature comparisons but if any one of those DAW's was the only one you had available, it would work just fine. So pick a DAW and have a great year making music!

I will do just that! Thanks!

All of them are pretty good, the last 2 years I create every new track in a different DAW. It was an interesting experience, but the time has come, and I need to be more productive again.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:47 pm

This is not about Bitwig vs. Live vs. Cubase and whatever else, but about releases in given year. Clearly - for me at least - Live 11 was much bigger and more comprehensive than Bitwig 4, whereas Cubase... well, there was no release this year.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:56 pm

antic604 wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:47 pm This is not about Bitwig vs. Live vs. Cubase and whatever else, but about releases in given year. Clearly - for me at least - Live 11 was much bigger and more comprehensive than Bitwig 4, whereas Cubase... well, there was no release this year.

I would hope that Live 11 was bigger than Bitwig 4... in the time between Live 10.1 and Live 11 and through to now, Bitwig released Bitwig 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.0 and 4.1

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:44 pm

pdxindy wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:56 pm
antic604 wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:47 pm This is not about Bitwig vs. Live vs. Cubase and whatever else, but about releases in given year. Clearly - for me at least - Live 11 was much bigger and more comprehensive than Bitwig 4, whereas Cubase... well, there was no release this year.
I would hope that Live 11 was bigger than Bitwig 4... in the time between Live 10.1 and Live 11 and through to now, Bitwig released Bitwig 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.0 and 4.1

Live has had a couple of free releases for everyone since release as well. No active plan needed, I think you would have had to pay for one or even 2 upgrades to get from 3 to 4.1 so the numbering system is a bit misleading.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:06 pm

pdxindy wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:56 pm
antic604 wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:47 pm This is not about Bitwig vs. Live vs. Cubase and whatever else, but about releases in given year. Clearly - for me at least - Live 11 was much bigger and more comprehensive than Bitwig 4, whereas Cubase... well, there was no release this year.
I would hope that Live 11 was bigger than Bitwig 4... in the time between Live 10.1 and Live 11 and through to now, Bitwig released Bitwig 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.0 and 4.1

I'm not sure online magazines go in such a detail when compiling their "best of 2021" lists and technically they're comparing releases of 2021, so v4+4.1 vs. v11 and there's no contest there.

IMO Ableton has been killing it with v10, v10.1 and v11 and - I think I've said it already - if v10 came out few months earlier I wouldn't switch because it addressed most of my issues with v9.7 where I started. v11.1 has been "meh" for me, but that's only because I'm not a Mac person (yet) although it has to be said Biteig went smarter about it and packaged Apple Silicon version with long-awaited (audio only...) comping.

All this is to say that the "award" is fully deserved IMO as Live v11 was the most impressive DAW release in 2021. Fingers crossed it's someone else in 2022.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:28 pm

antic604 wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:06 pmIMO Ableton has been killing it with v10, v10.1 and v11

It has still been 2 1/2 years from 10.1 until now... with 11.1 arriving soon. I would rather have all the stuff Bitwig added over that time. And yes, Ableton has for sure been doing a good work.

MusicTech Gear Of The Year: Best DAW of 2021- Live 11