Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[Pashkuli]

Why do you find this passage hard to render using your approach? it's a run of single notes (more or less) followed by a run the other way using chords.
I can see why this is going to be tough using your approach.

Well, the hardest part would be to read it from the score as originally written in the old system.
The translation is easy. I just type it with a computer keyboard and then have to place the flags for durations only on 16th, 32nds... or stems on quarters and halves.
Not that difficult but still it is not as if I had a notation program about it (the PMN).

Will try to develop one, but it will take me some time to learn JavaScript or Python or whatever is appropriate. If you know someone who can do JavaScript apps, let me know, please!

[Farnaby]

Can't you just write it on paper like ordinary notation?

[Pashkuli]

Can't you just write it on paper like ordinary notation?

Of course I can.

Here is the B4·7 (ok, C natural major) run of 1/8ths

B F L M P S V (ascending scale)

"7th" arpeggio (:B can be on the upper row, but can be written in one row using colon symbol : anytime, so the choice is yours)
B L P V :B V P L B

some "octaves"
B :B B :B



here is a C (major) chord in its exact inversion of E-C-G (low to high)
8B7 (numbers mean relative interval distance from root note, chromatically not by some "special case" major scale\mode)
with letters only:
LBP


same chord in another inversion (G-C-E)
5B4
with letters only:
PBL


same chord in another inversion (E-G-C)
8·5B
with letters only:
L·PB



There is more, here is a C "ninth" chord (choose inversion, no score needed):
same chord in another inversion (C-E-G-B-D)
B4·7·11:2
with letters only:
BL·P·V:F

the colon symbol of { : } means we are in the next "octave" (renova)

[Pashkuli]

I can write precisely so called "slash chords" as well in whatever inversion is intended by the composer.
No need for a score really.

Just place the desired low note ("over" note) at the far left and you are all set. You can place it even two or three "octaves" below if you will (as intended) or write it "over" an "octave" of chosen notes.

[Farnaby]

So can you show us how the passage looks in your notation - handwritten. That's what you were being invited to demonstrate.

[Pashkuli]

So can you show us how the passage looks in your notation - handwritten. That's what you were being invited to demonstrate.

Using the old notation, can you handwrite it first on a blank paper, not a score engraved one, and no rulers for the lines, please?

You have to just copy already existing one, namely this one:

[Farnaby]

You managed to show a fragment of Chopin in both notation forms at the beginning of this thread, can you not do the same with the fragment suggested? You appear to be introducing an unexpected barrier, unless I have misunderstood something along the way.

[Pashkuli]

You managed to show a fragment of Chopin in both notation forms, can you not do the same with the fragment suggested? You appear to be introducing an unexpected barrier.

Of course one barrier would be to read first the old notation, as I am quite bad at reading it.
Then translation is not that difficult, once I have the notes. As I explained I will need to find the corresponding midi file first, would help me much identifying the notes as they are. But not now, on new years eve. Next year.

[Farnaby]

So how can you compose a new piece, or make a new arrangement where there would be no MIDI file. A notation system must allow for this surely.
I understand it is New Years Eve of course - have a good one.

[fmr]

You managed to show a fragment of Chopin in both notation forms, can you not do the same with the fragment suggested? You appear to be introducing an unexpected barrier.

Of course one barrier would be to read first the old notation, as I am quite bad at reading it.
Then translation is not that difficult, once I have the notes. As I explained I will need to find the corresponding midi file first, would help me much identifying the notes as they are. But not now, on new years eve. Next year.

So, you are someone who can't even understand/read the old method, yet you claim to have created a "new" method?

Curious about how you would write this. I can provide you a MIDI file, if you want:

TN-PMLP111725-bwv_542-3924.jpg

[Pashkuli]

So, you are someone who can't even understand/read the old method, yet you claim to have created a "new" method?

Curious about how you would write this. I can provide you a MIDI file, if you want:

Yes, I am. I can understand it pretty well. That is why I say... I can do better.

Most of the notes or beams on the screenshot are illegible. This one is not even a challenge.

[mladi]

So, you are someone who can't even understand/read the old method, yet you claim to have created a "new" method?

[jancivil]

Guys, keep in mind a few very important details:
1. Traditional (church) music notation has been around and been imposed in education for more than 800 years now.

800 years of Church domination in almost all educational facilities across Europe! And then of course in America and the colonial world. Domination.

You're seeking to make something found seriously useful for an epoch suspect by innuendo and confounding it with some half-baked sociopolitical argumentation, in favor of an inchoate conception of notation you're for some reason seeking to promote as though it may replace it as an alternative. Sure, you're free from the yoke of the oppression of the Church! Also free from the strictures of rigor and sound reasoning and from the pesky bit of engaging the music there, which was really a great example for deconstructing notation and use, to make the diametric opposite of the argument you feinted at making.

[shawshawraw]

Using the old notation, can you handwrite it first on a blank paper, not a score engraved one, and no rulers for the lines, please?

You have to just copy already existing one, namely this one:

Definitely a pain in the ass, but looks better than I thought.

(A curfew on NYE is boring!!)

[vurt]

you need a blacker pen.