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vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:29 pm

actually dont!!!
apologies

shawshawraw · Post by **shawshawraw** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:34 pm

lol gross!

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:42 pm

shawshawraw wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:34 pm lol gross!

sorry, it used to be a pen shop, pen island.
dunno what the link is now, just checked and it started doing weird shit, so have removed.

apologies all.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:43 pm

you do need a blacker pen though, can hardly see that.

shawshawraw · Post by **shawshawraw** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:54 pm

vurt wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:43 pm you do need a blacker pen though, can hardly see that.

Thanks. I intended to switch to an ink pen, but I forgot...

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:15 am

jancivil wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:49 pm You're seeking to make something found seriously useful for an epoch suspect by innuendo and confounding it with some half-baked sociopolitical argumentation, in favor of an inchoate conception of notation you're for some reason seeking to promote as though it may replace it as an alternative. Sure, you're free from the yoke of the oppression of the Church! Also free from the strictures of rigor and sound reasoning and from the pesky bit of engaging the music there, which was really a great example for deconstructing notation and use, to make the diametric opposite of the argument you feinted at making.

I am seeking... actually I have found it (pun intended) something that is better, non-ambiguous and much easier to write. It so happens to have a great application for music.

By design you can think of it as a generalised tablature (and that is for any instrument).
When compared to guitar tablature for example it is almost the same as having each string tuned in "octaves" (so no overlapping of notes per string can occur). Then the noteheads just fall in the intended 12 frets (reduced to 12, because we make use of 12-TET).

Standard notation is old and badly designed concept. Its main purpose was to serve the church music and choirs.

Thankfully, we still have the usual tradition of folk music (the music of the common people, if you will). And that is great. Unfortunately, education system ahs been hijacked by the Church in medieval times. So after 800 years we have what we have.

But there have been others before me trying to rise against this imposed abomination (we can call it indoctrination). Jean-Jacques Rousseau was one of those people.
I am not saying this to gain more credibility for PMN. I am saying this to point out the fact that this "monster" is quite big and has been feeding off of generations upon generations of human brains.

Happy new 2022!

Farnaby · Post by **Farnaby** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:41 am

You really do need to substantiate your claims, but you haven't managed to yet. The extracts offered shouldn't really be all that difficult to transcribe and yet it seems you can't. I hope you do one day, but I think in the spirit of a Happy New Year, enjoy your hobby and see if you can't respond to at least some of the points that have been raised in this thread

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:45 am

What a mess. Terrible.

Of course the old notation is much better than this stupid tiny hearts etc.

At least this lousy attempt shows once again what a great notation system we already have. Beautiful and useful.

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:52 am

Pashkuli wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:42 pm DURATIONS

Just an example how great his system is..

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:08 am

mladi wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:52 am Just an example how great his system is..

@mladi
Which note is this one?

note.jpg

I guess I have to repeat for those who come in a bit late.

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:15 am

Pashkuli wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:08 am
mladi wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:52 am Just an example how great his system is..
@mladi
Which note is this one?

I guess I have to repeat for those who come in a bit late.

Totally absurd. Why you show a note duration alone and ask which note? You don't understand that what you claim to be disadvantage makes in reality totally sense. That's because you don't have a clue how this works be it for writing or playing an instrument.

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:21 am

mladi wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:45 am What a great notation system we already have. Beautiful and useful.

If you say so... showing the clef as well, because a couple of bars to the left it is F-clef.
It changes back to F though. Then some other 4 sharps key signature next change.

if you say so.jpg

To me this is a mess.

Pashkuli · Post by **Pashkuli** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:23 am

mladi wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:15 am Totally absurd. Why you show a note duration alone and ask which note? You don't understand that what you claim to be disadvantage makes in reality totally sense. That's because you don't have a clue how this works be it for writing or playing an instrument.

Oh, are you stuck? Do you need some help? Here:

note-double-dies.jpg

Have you got any clue how PMN works then?

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:30 am

first rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is you don't know you're in it

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 am

jancivil wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:30 am first rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is you don't know you're in it

Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)