Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[Pashkuli]

What knowledge?
This church notation came out from years of bad practices, mostly related to vocal chants. It has nothing to do with knowledge.

WTF are you talking about? What "bad" practices?

Do you even know how notation was born? Do you know that current notation compares to those first notation attempts as much current western writing compares to Egypt hieroglyphs (or ancient greek writing, at best)?

Yes, I do know. I specified above: vocal chants. Not the instruments used to play music.
It was the chants, specifically those who were considered "pious", not the "sacrilegious" (pagan) songs of the plebs (ordinary folk).

Actually there was a time when for years if not centuries, any folk music was forbidden in favour of the church chants at schools and education. Most if not all schools were under the control of the church. That origin of control can still be seen even today.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Actually there was a time when for years if not centuries, any folk music was forbidden in favour of the church chants at schools and education.

Rubbish. Folk music has always existed outside the church and has never been forbidden among the people. Only inside the church itself, like polyphony, which took the church some popes to adobt. You know nothing about this period, evidently. It is pure fabulation and delusions. Your take on church music and notation is but a fantasy. A child´s fantasy. This thread has turned into sheer absurdities. If you ever had ambitions of selling your system around here, you have done all a man can do to screw it up on his own.

[vurt]

can you do these in pnm?

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[vurt]

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[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Lucky I am not a mod around here. When someone pukes on truth at the cost of historical facts and replaces it with deluded fantasies from Dunning-Kruger land like this, I would have closed the thread and asked him to find a forum for QAnon disciples. This lack of respect for facts and shameless use of misinformation to own benefits are some of the most nauseating tendencies of the internet age.

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[vurt]

Rubbish Folk music

some of it, yes.

[mladi]

Lucky I am not a mod around here. When someone pukes on truth at the cost of historical facts and replaces it with deluded fantasies from Dunning-Kruger land like this, I would have closed the thread and asked him to find a forum for QAnon disciples. This lack of respect for facts and shameless use of misinformation to own benefits are some of the most nauseating tendencies of the internet age.

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[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Rubbish Folk music

some of it, yes.

….., I would have closed the thread and asked him to find a forum for QAnon disciples.

….and asked him to take Vurt with him now he is at it.

[Pashkuli]

@vurt
No.

@TribeOfHǫfuð
I said in schools, not at home or in the pub. Yes, I know a lot about that period.
It was better half a millennia or so before that Dark age period although the Church already dominated but not as severely as in the actual Medieval Inquisition times.

For example Boethius had some decent letter based system, though it was meant rather to designate intervals in roughly two "octaves". But also he was somehow related to the establishment (he was a clerk or some consul).
It is really more on the philosophical side and Pythagorean mathematical intonation. The Equal temperament will have to wait for another millennia after Boethius.

Just to illustrate that there was a system concerning musical notes before Guido d'Arezzo to screw it up even further (from his time).

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[Pashkuli]

Lucky I am not a mod around here. When someone pukes on truth at the cost of historical facts and replaces it with deluded fantasies from Dunning-Kruger land like this, I would have closed the thread and asked him to find a forum for QAnon disciples. This lack of respect for facts and shameless use of misinformation to own benefits are some of the most nauseating tendencies of the internet age.

Ok, holy inquisitor. Luckily you are not.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

@TribeOfHǫfuð
I said in schools, not at home or in the pub. Yes, I know a lot about that period.

What specific schools? Provide references to sources, thank you. Music was not taught in public schools during the middle ages (there was no such thing, only home tutors for the rich or schools run by the church for the rich). It was a craftmanship given from generation to generation or a dedicated study for monks. Again, prove your sayings, this time by references to historical studies, or stand as a deluded fraud. You now sht about that period but do not know that you do not know. That is obvious to those of us who do. Dunning Kruger again, as Jan said.

[Pashkuli]

What specific schools? Provide references to sources, thank you. Music was not taught in public schools during the middle ages. It was a craftmanship given from generation to generation or a dedicated study for monks. Again, prove your sayings, this time by references to historical studies, or stand as a deluded fraud.

Music is not and has never been a privilege of church monks.
There was music before, LONG BEFORE any churches could have been even established.
Do you think Pythagoras never heard any music, only the hammers of the blacksmiths?!
Get your logical thinking together, please. Leave your emotions aside.

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Lucky I am not a mod around here. When someone pukes on truth at the cost of historical facts and replaces it with deluded fantasies from Dunning-Kruger land like this, I would have closed the thread and asked him to find a forum for QAnon disciples. This lack of respect for facts and shameless use of misinformation to own benefits are some of the most nauseating tendencies of the internet age.

It's not my job to judge his facts, there is your problem right there. That would be beyond a slippery slope to head down, mods shouldnt act with their feelings toward a subject as you suggest. We try to enforce the rules, keep the scammer and spammers away, but we are not the arbiter on what facts are right or wrong in a subject and it would be terribly wrong of us to do so. Even in a case where you feel it is quite blatant, it's just not a door to even open just a little...not the job of a mod.

You guys are showing him his errs, perhaps he wont ever listen, that's not the point. Believe it or not it is entirely possible things said in challenging the OP might benefit another, so again there is no reason to act. The QAnon comment sums it up nicely, and I do see your point.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Music is not and has never been a privilege of church monks.
There was music before, LONG BEFORE any churches could have been even established.

The question was not whether there was music but schools in which it was forbidden, remember, mister Red Herring? How hilarius to excape by such a move of goal. An insult of intelligence you are.

There were no public schools teaching music during the middleages. Only private tutors or schools run for the rich by the church. Thus, no places outside the church were folkmusic forbidden, and certainly not in public schools since there were not any, genius.