Wave Alchemy Triaz [Kontakt]

[db3]

As I think I may have mentioned elsewhere, we are actively looking into options to move to a Native system in the future, and assuming TRIAZ is supported well enough by the community, this should hopefully be a reality in the not too distant future.

By that I assume you mean non-Native
That could be a great investment if you find the right developer.

[wave alchemy]

Could you provide also the Drumvolution samples in WAV format with TRIAZ?
That would make TRIAZ feel more like an update for existing Drumvolution customers. And paying for TRIAZ would then feel less painful.

HI!

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but we truly can't see how deciding to purchase TRIAZ would be painful as a Drumvolution customer. They are completely different products with different sounds and feature sets. You actually benefit as you are getting 25% off, for no other reason than us wanting to reward our long time customers of previous products.

As an example that you may be able to relate to, we see this as being no different to for example a u-he customer purchasing DIVA and then feeling pained to purchase Repro. Or a Spitfire Audio customer purchasing Symphonic Strings and then feeling pained to purchase another of their many string libraries. They are different products, with a different sound / feature set, that can compliment each other well.

If we included all the drum sounds from Drumvolution inside TRIAZ, as standard, then new customers would lose out significantly, since we would have to charge a much higher price to new customers due to the extra sound content they are getting - which would put it out of reach for many people.

I'll happily give you the Drumvolution sounds as Wav files though, and you can drag these into TRIAZ using sample import

I hope this makes sense.

P.S. Even though these two products are different, would you have been happier and more inclined to purchase if Drumvolution owners had received a bigger discount than 25%? - Just out of interest?

[wave alchemy]

By that I assume you mean non-Native
That could be a great investment if you find the right developer.

Haha yes, of course

That's also true! Our goal is to generate enough sales / userbase with TRIAZ and BASSYNTH in order to give back to the community in the form of native, vst WA plugins. That is our ultimate goal, and I don't mind talking openly about this!

It is how Output and many other companies started their journey to native platforms.

We have tried to make TRIAZ as responsive and 'native' feeling as possible - and minus the initial step of loading Kontakt Player, and the fact we can't have scalable UI, I feel we've done a great job, and it's certainly more responsive and quicker than any of our previous products (and most other products in this format that I have used) - by a considerable amount.

If any C++ programmers are listening and want to put in a community effort to make this happen, we're open to discussion!

[db3]

You may need to speculate to accumulate. Why don't you reach out to some of the established devs to discuss a partnership?

[wave alchemy]

You may need to speculate to accumulate. Why don't you reach out to some of the established devs to discuss a partnership?

We have reached out to a couple of big, well known developers / companies in the past, however it hasn't worked out yet due a variety of reasons. I.e we could probably get a big well known company to build TRIAZ as a native plugin quite easily, but they'd likely either want it branded as their own product, or want to take an unfair royalty - which we wouldn't be down. It is likely different this time around, however, since the hardest part of TRIAZ and BASSYNTH is done - and that is the Design, workflow and exactly how every aspect of every control should flow and be connected. Essentially we'd just need a fantastic audio based C++ developer who can take our existing scripting code and re-purpose it in C++. It would probably be quite simple for a competent, established developer to do this, specifically due to this... The harder part is finding someone who is reliable and dedicated.

I have heard of horror stories in the past of devs disappearing half way through projects, or simply quitting right after launch and leaving the company with issues that cannot be fixed or updated due to either bad code practice or other reasons. Look at the old Sample Magic Plugins for example.

This is exactly what we'd like to avoid, and so it is vital that we take the time to find the right person/s or platform to use for this.

P.S. Feel free to recommend some devs!

[bluesawsq]

I'll happily give you the Drumvolution sounds as Wav files though, and you can drag these into TRIAZ using sample import

That's great! Thanks.

I hope this makes sense.

Providing Drumvolution sounds as Wav files for Drumvolution owners only makes sense. Thanks for explaining in detail.

P.S. Even though these two products are different, would you have been happier and more inclined to purchase if Drumvolution owners had received a bigger discount than 25%? - Just out of interest?

50% discount (70% off total with intro offer) for existing Drumvolution owners would have been an instant buy from me. With 25% discount I need to consider it a bit more.

[dermage]

50% discount (70% off total with intro offer) for existing Drumvolution owners would have been an instant buy from me. With 25% discount I need to consider it a bit more.

Indeed, around 60% off total for people who own Drumvolution would be a instant buy for me.
And maybe 70% for those who also own Revolution.
Around 60 pounds would be a much better loyalty price for owners of almost all of your drum stuff.

I own Drumvolution, Drumvolution Live Pack, Revolution, Revolution Live Pack, Complete Drums 2 etc.
And I pay the same amount as if I owned only one product bought at sale price from your (eg. 25+20% off). Means 90pounds.

Owning this much drum sounds I'm still thinking if another 90pound investment makes sense, adding another extra library to Kontakt which I'll probably even not use, but use the sounds as imports in Atlas/XO.

[Mr Arkadin]

I guess having Drumvolution, Digital Revolution, Transistor Revolution, Complete Drums et al really makes this a purchase I would have to really see a benefit to. Sure there are some nice features which I feel could have been put into a Drumvolution update, but I guess that would undermine Triaz.

As it is it doesn't feel like an insta-buy from me. Not that the price is bad, but it does put it outside of the no-brainer window into "let me think about this for a second". However I don't think it's overpriced so I'm not hawking for an extra discount, I either buy it at 25% off or not (in this case not).

[db3]

I have heard of horror stories in the past of devs disappearing half way through projects, or simply quitting right after launch and leaving the company with issues that cannot be fixed or updated due to either bad code practice or other reasons. Look at the old Sample Magic Plugins for example.

The exact same thing sprung to my mind. This is why I'd still consider working with an established company rather than a short-term contractor and build something consumers will see as a solid longterm investment from two respected brands.

Triaz seems a good basic design to support expansion packs rather than having to code new products. You'd think a respected dev, who has no intention of ever releasing a sample based drum machine, would see the value in a jointly branded project with fair share of application and expansion spoils. Putting it out there devs

[wave alchemy]

The exact same thing sprung to my mind. This is why I'd still consider working with an established company rather than a short-term contractor and build something consumers will see as a solid longterm investment from two respected brands.

Triaz seems a good basic design to support expansion packs rather than having to code new products. You'd think a respected dev, who has no intention of ever releasing a sample based drum machine, would see the value in a jointly branded project with fair share of application and expansion spoils. Putting it out there devs

Indeed, we feel like we have a few options and will be pursuing them starting in the New Year.

I can't talk in too much detail about future product plans, but you are definitely on the right track in your second sentence! We have very similar ideas and this would be part of the goal...

I can confirm however that we won't be going down any kind of monthly subscription route.

[tclak]

I'll happily give you the Drumvolution sounds as Wav files though, and you can drag these into TRIAZ using sample import

Yes please! Long time WA customer here. TRIAZ is awesome btw.

[epiphaneia]

I'll happily give you the Drumvolution sounds as Wav files though, and you can drag these into TRIAZ using sample import

Given that Triaz probably has your current "state of the art" engine, which is probably optimized over Drumvolution´s engine, that makes sense (actually, I was pretty disappointed when I found out that Drumvolution did not come with a set of WAV files, as I wanted to use them in my Digitakt...).

P.S. Even though these two products are different, would you have been happier and more inclined to purchase if Drumvolution owners had received a bigger discount than 25%? - Just out of interest?

Definitely yes. I´m still on the fence because of exactly that. I´m happy for everyone who gets a good general intro discount, but I´m a fan of loyalty discounts, let´s just say "here´s an extra 10% for you". A few % extra won´t make or break my checking acount, but it would make me feel more appreciated.

And while to you Triaz is a "different product" from Drumvolution, to me as a layman that´s splitting hairs - no matter how much work creating Triaz was (and indeed, you shouldn´t undersell it), to me the key differences are GUI and content library.

Had you kept the Drumvolution color scheme, called Triaz "Drumvolution 2: New and better GUI and expanded library" and asked for a $39 upgrade fee, noone would have said: "wow, that´s a completely different product though"

[chroma]

tip: if you get drumvolution for live, it has all the samples as individual (unlocked) wav files, and if you own drumvolution for kontakt, you can crossgrade for 15 gbp....

[soulata]

50% discount (70% off total with intro offer) for existing Drumvolution owners would have been an instant buy from me. With 25% discount I need to consider it a bit more.

Indeed, around 60% off total for people who own Drumvolution would be a instant buy for me.
And maybe 70% for those who also own Revolution.
Around 60 pounds would be a much better loyalty price for owners of almost all of your drum stuff.

I own Drumvolution, Drumvolution Live Pack, Revolution, Revolution Live Pack, Complete Drums 2 etc.
And I pay the same amount as if I owned only one product bought at sale price from your (eg. 25+20% off). Means 90pounds.

Owning this much drum sounds I'm still thinking if another 90pound investment makes sense, adding another extra library to Kontakt which I'll probably even not use, but use the sounds as imports in Atlas/XO.

I also own a lot of WA stuff (plus lots of other drum products). Sweet spot (for me) would be 69EUR crossgrade (tax included).

k

[Katrak]

A lovely bit of software and my new go to.
One question: I just can't get inividual drum voice velocities to operate correctly, even when I modify them in the individual sequence lane (I'm NOT using the classic Drum sequencer row at the bottom) - it's all or nothing !
Am I missing something obvious ?
2 other Suggestions:
Agree would be even better if you could point and scan a folder / entire hard drive as with Atlas.
Audio export of stems - easy to work around, but well implimented in Atlas.

EDIT: Discovered the answer - I needed to turn up the drum velocity to 100% in the Sound tab. Now all works as it should do.