Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[gaggle of hermits]

Music is not just sound.

orchestration is to a large extent sound design.

you can even get ircam to automate some of the composition if you want to render certain kinds of sounds using regular orchestral instruments: https://forum.ircam.fr/projects/detail/orchids/

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... stra_Speak

[Pashkuli]

Music is not just sound.

Reminds me of this joke:

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[fmr]

An example of live music creation using graphical score with sound synthesis creation in real-time:

[vurt]

Music is not just sound.

Reminds me of this joke:

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so now you of all people are being elitist?

only accepted art should be allowed?

[fmr]

Music is not just sound.

Reminds me of this joke:

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So... you are the "indoctrinated", after all. You must have been educated in the "art for the people" school of the soviets. I'm guilty of "formalism"

[Pashkuli]

@fmr
@vurt

Erm... think a bit. I suspect you did not get the joke.

@fmr
Sound design is a different topic. I never claimed I have invented a music notation for Sound Design.
ANd quite frankly, would never even cross my mind to even make an attempt at such... waste of time.

[Pashkuli]

Orchestration is to a large extent sound design.

You maybe wanted to say write 'arrangement'
Because to enormous extent orchestration is an arrangement of the music composition to various instruments, sound emitting devices.

[fmr]

@fmr
Sound design is a different topic. I never claimed I have invented a music notation for Sound Design.
ANd quite frankly, would never even cross my mind to even make an attempt at such... waste of time.

As gaggle of hermits put it, orchestration (and I would extend it to MUSIC, generally speaking) is sound design. Music was born as an attempt to imitate to sounds of nature. Over time, it evolved into a very high degree of abstraction, perhaps the highest degree of abstraction of all art forms (but I am biased, of course).

You seem to have a very narrow notion of what is music. And you are trying to reinvent the wheel to solve a problem that doesn't exist. As I've shown you, there are problems that the current notation system isn't able to solve, but it seems you weren't even aware of them, due to the narrow concept you have of music. Sound Design IS MUSIC, because music IS sound design. Sound Manipulation IS MUSIC, because music IS sound manipulation. What isn't music is the rubbish you brought to the table.

You aren't solving ANY problem, because the problem is you are trying to solve DOESN'T EXIST. Many people even left that train already, and embarked in something more complex, something you seemingly weren't even aware of.

[Pashkuli]

I disagree.
Sound Design is not Music.
Music is not Sound Design.

Sound Design is a setup, construction, assembly of items for emitting a specific sound.
Setting up a synth with its parameters, reconstructing an amp, tweaking a rout path of chain of modulation plugins\circuit and finally a speaker or some kind of physical vibration... this is Sound Design.

It is not Music. At least... not yet.

[fmr]

I disagree.
Sound Design is not Music.
Music is not Sound Design.

Sound Design is a setup, construction, assembly of items for emitting a specific sound.
Setting up a synth with its parameters, reconstructing an amp, tweaking a rout path of chain of modulation plugins\circuit and finally a speaker or some kind of physical vibration... this is Sound Design.

OK, you may disagree, of course.

But man... sound design is much more than what you wrote. It started way before there were even synthesizers. Actually, even computer music predates synthesizers.

Just read what you wrote yourself: "setup, construction, assembly of items for emitting a specific sound". What is music with acoustic instruments if not exactly this? Of course, there's the guy who "constructs" the sound emitting device, and then another guy will "operate" it in order to create the sound. But when a player plays an instrument, what is he doing, if not "sound design"?

[gaggle of hermits]

Music is not just sound.

Reminds me of this joke:

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ooh, doing alt-right memes now? Fancy that.

I’m pretty sure every single painting in that image is pre-WW2.

[Pashkuli]

A player is performing the music.
A sound designer is emitting sounds.

@gaggle of hermits
I have no idea. It could be said the same about WWI of course.
The joke is that they made sure every psychopath could call themselves an artist. Otherwise it might lead to something terrible.
If you get the joke, so you get it. I am sure you get it.

[Pashkuli]

Death Metal compared to this (Kontakte by Stockhausen) is like "Mary has a little lamb"

Well, I agree... Kontakte is a breeze on the face, a fluff of sheep wool.

[vurt]

now we're talking!

i was there at the beginning of all this business!!
early roadrunner/earache/peaceville stuff

[vurt]

obviously, that was just the uk scene.
as i was indoctrinated by geography