Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[BertKoor]

Have you ever heard of Dodeka notation ?
It's more similar to conventional notation, but has abandoned sharps & flats nevertheless:


I'd say this is far more logical and has better chance of wide adaptation than Pashkuli PMN.

[Pashkuli]

I'd say this is far more logical and has better chance of wide adaptation than Pashkuli PMN.

Yes, it also is like the MIDI-blocks. It is difficult to:

1. write
2. read (especially durations)
3. too many line and line type elements

They also have designed an awful keyboard.
Have no time to explain why. But it is the layout, then the shape of the keys.
It is too basic and quite frankly ignorant.

[Erisian]

[jancivil]

Music is not just sound.

Reminds me of this joke:

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so you're at once a radical reformer and an absolute reactionary philistine
quelle surprise, not revolutionary but reactionary

Dunning-Kruger Effect Rules OK

[Pashkuli]

Music is not just sound.

Reminds me of this joke:

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so you're at once a radical reformer and an absolute reactionary philistine
quelle surprise, not revolutionary but reactionary

Dunning-Kruger Effect Rules OK

This is not your topic. There is absolutely no need for you to write here.
Your knowledge (as with the many others) is more suitable for the other topics and threads.
I do not see how you could contribute to this subject. You are ignorant (rather oblivious) about it.

This is not a topic about the standard music notation.
This is a topic about a music notation, which rejects the standard and offers a new one.

Make yourself useful elsewhere, please.

[Erisian]

This is not a topic about the standard music notation.

So why have you used so much of the thread criticizing it? I would say that Jan's knowledge is very useful here.

[Pashkuli]

So why have you used so much of the thread criticizing it? I would say that Jan's knowledge is very useful here.

Because, I wrote also:

This is a topic about a music notation, which rejects the standard and offers a new one.

To reject. I have to analyse it, reject what I have found old, inadequate from modern day's perspective, and offer either an improvement (waste of time) or a completely new one (done!).

jancivil has shown zero input with regards to the current topic and old problems.
I do not see any change, rather the contrary: passive aggressive almost personal remarks (not insults, because an insult is an insult if you accept to react to it).

[jancivil]

Assertion is not argument. You announce a raison d'etre for this hypothesis (which afaict is not original), a problem with notation since basically the first modern stage of its evolution but can't make the argument. It would be a stupid argument to anyone that has the history somewhat. The notation system evolved as music did. You seem like you have next-to-no experience reading music, honestly. So you're here, and all around the 'net, trying to show significance, as though this grandiose fake argument promotes your keyboard. You aren't doing your commerce any favors here I don't reckon.

[Pashkuli]

The notation system evolved as music did. You seem like you have next-to-no experience reading music, honestly.

Wrong.
You seem to have next-to-no experience about understanding design, honestly.

The Music notation is as such for the past 300~400 maybe more years.
Since then not only chamber music but also plethora of folk music merged into the Music... officially.
Music, mind you, which evolved and survived, with no official music notation.
Especially in the past 120~130 years, where audio recording technology got invented and designed.
Radio, TV, Internet, computer audio. All this thanks to advanced understanding of design and engineering.
So every one could hear anybody's music.

Pretty much "the posh" music back in the days before that, was written on what is now known as music notation.

You are just a logorrheic forum chatter. You do not belong to this topic.

[Hink]

Pashkuli, look I see both sides of this ok and I will ask Jan to respect your wish to stay out of this as it is your hill to die on or thrive on (consider it requested please).

With that said, not speaking as a mod but as a musician and a person with at least a couple connecting brain cells, I think your attitude toward others in this thread can become off-putting which I dont think helps you. I may be wrong about what Jan is saying, but I think she is saying that all of this will reflect on you and your business.

You are asking people who have been taught in some great institutions to ignore what they have made their life studies, things they are obviously quite adept at. If you think you are getting a hard time here it wont get easier and you cant just push away those who disagree with you especially if you are trying to have a business.

Like I said it is your hill to die or thrive on

[mladi]

See kids this could happen if you are to dumb to learn real music notation properly.

[Pashkuli]

Hink,
that is correct.

This thread was not meant at all to attract classically trained, musically educated scholars and individuals with whatever degree or prestige awards they might have won along the way of their career.
That is not my concern and not my intention to ask for their approval. I have seen those people (such people I mean).

It is about a new music notation system. I simply spread the word or advertise it.
I can prove any day, any time why the current music notation is... the way it is and needs to retire, take its place in Music history with dignity, before it gets desecrated as a consequence of the passive aggressive behaviour of its supporters.

I am alone in this endeavour (not really a battle). I think it is time to move on and just discuss the ideas presented in the first post and the related details.

[mladi]

I can prove any day, any time why the current music notation is... the way it is and needs to retire, take its place in Music history with dignity, before it gets desecrated as a consequence of the passive aggressive behaviour of its supporters.

We still waiting for your "prove any day, any time" on the provided examples in this thread and nothing happend. Could it be that you have some mental issues? Of course you are the wrong person to answer this question.

[Pashkuli]

[fmr]

See kids this could happen if you are to dumb to learn real music notation properly.