Jay is not downloading music from the web, but from his head

[Whoomph]

are symphonies the most natural form of music?

Twelve-tone serial composition is the most natural form of music. Or maybe Italian futurism.

Meffy

Depends on how your feeling , you might just want the natural simplicity of a pentatonic scale over a few well thought out chords
(if your lazy like me)


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[Stupid American Pig]

This day in age, all it takes is a wealthy family to see that their kid has some talent, and the parents then use their money and clout to get this kids work pushed through and get him into juilliard.

Now, that's just not so. As far as I know, Brandon Trinity never attended Juilliard.

Meffy
with a straight face

Damn there goes my theory- I never thought a song like Dance around the world wouldve been written without the foundation and guidance that only Juilliard could provide.

[Armadillo]

Classical, Jazz, and Modern Pop Cultures are three very different planets.

But if you can compose or play classical music. You can play anything!

Try getting classical musicians to try to improvise. It ain't too inspirational. The jazzers have an advantage there.

Man that's just so true, but all fair to TonyVanDam....he did say "play", not "improvise"
I'd be bored in no time at all if all I did was play other peoples music. The musicians are just very good at reading notation, cause that's all they do. But classical composers......respect.

[VicDiesel]

The musicians are just very good at reading notation, cause that's all they do.

You've obviously never heard a good performer. A good performer can play two notes *plink* *plink*, on your instrument, and you'll know you will never play those two notes like that.

To me the measure of a bad concert is if it makes me think "If I practiced more I could play that too." With a good concert, I think "I will never be able to play it like that."

Once heard Jorge Bolet live. Afterwards everyone was talking about the simpleest piece on the program. I looked up the sheet music later. "Ok, those are the notes. Where's the music I just heard?" It was bloody amazing, and I'm sure none of the musicians in the audience, professional or otherwise, could play that simple piece like he did.

V.

[Armadillo]

The musicians are just very good at reading notation, cause that's all they do.

You've obviously never heard a good performer. A good performer can play two notes *plink* *plink*, on your instrument, and you'll know you will never play those two notes like that.

To me the measure of a bad concert is if it makes me think "If I practiced more I could play that too." With a good concert, I think "I will never be able to play it like that."

Once heard Jorge Bolet live. Afterwards everyone was talking about the simpleest piece on the program. I looked up the sheet music later. "Ok, those are the notes. Where's the music I just heard?" It was bloody amazing, and I'm sure none of the musicians in the audience, professional or otherwise, could play that simple piece like he did.

V.

Like water on a ducks back. As I said, the composers I bow for but people who play other people music do not get the same amount of praise from me. Guitar shredding does absolutely nothing for me.
I have seen classical piano players (on TV) where I went "wow" but unless he wrote the piece himself, he's just a brilliant copycat.
I never go to watch a band "because they play extraordinarily well". I watch one because I like the music. Regardless of how sophisticated or not it is.
I went to a classical concert once (Mozarts "Requim") and struggled to stay awake....serously.

[VicDiesel]

I have seen classical piano players (on TV) where I went "wow" but unless he wrote the piece himself, he's just a brilliant copycat.

Technique is irrelevant (for this discussion). A good performer turns notes into music. That's not copying. That's making music. I suspect you've never heard music.

V.

[Armadillo]

I have seen classical piano players (on TV) where I went "wow" but unless he wrote the piece himself, he's just a brilliant copycat.

Technique is irrelevant (for this discussion). A good performer turns notes into music. That's not copying. That's making music. I suspect you've never heard music.

V.

Yeah, I've never heard music. I just hang out here, cause it's such a nice atmosphere.
Reading notation and performing it is not making music. It's performing music.Just because the news reporter reads out the news in a very calm, controlled manner, without stuttering and saying er and but doesn't mean he actually captured the news story. He's just good at reading the news (notation) and performing it in front of the camera.

If you appreciate performing, fine with me. I appreciate creation of music. Each to his own. I'm out.

[duncanparsons]

I just hope this chap isn't burnt out by 20...

for myself, Im not so keen on these orchestra things.. overblown cover bands if you ask me.. When did you hear 'Opus 11 by the LPO' announced on the Radio?



DSP

[Meffy]

Reading notation and performing it is not making music. It's performing music.

Which is why every performance of a given composition sounds exactly the same as all other performances, as if played by a phonograph. No room for interpretation, no creativity involved at all. Nothing but simple rote mechanical responses. A well-trained parrot could easily play (er, perform; beg pardon) symphonies and fugues and cantatas if only it weren't for those pesky musicians' unions.

Meffy
today's SECRET WORD is... cadenza! *scream*

[Armadillo]

Reading notation and performing it is not making music. It's performing music.

Which is why every performance of a given composition sounds exactly the same as all other performances, as if played by a phonograph. No room for interpretation, no creativity involved at all. Nothing but simple rote mechanical responses. A well-trained parrot could easily play (er, perform; beg pardon) symphonies and fugues and cantatas if only it weren't for those pesky musicians' unions.

Meffy
today's SECRET WORD is... cadenza! *scream*

Aaaaargh.....how many times do I have to repeat myself. Sure, it's not exactly the same. But my point is tada.........you are playing a piece created by another man. That's the man I admire. Sure you play a note a 16th longer than on the notation, you play pianissimo when it says fortissimo etc. etc. etc. BUT YOU DID NOT CREATE THE SYMPHONY.

Sorry if you all play in cover bands

[VicDiesel]

today's SECRET WORD is... cadenza! *scream*

Very good. Tomorrow's word is divisions.

(Have to perform some next week. Not sure if I'll write them out.)

V.

[lanark]

oh, well...
the boy writes symphonies... his hero is Beethoven...
sounds to me like kind of an anachronic talent, isn't it?
what about XX century music? the boy seems to ignore it.

I have a couple of hypothesis:

• * he is like a sampler, his memory is astonishing and he can remix classical music on his mind
  * he is a construction of the media (beethoven is know by the masses, stockhausen not)
  * he is a a true talent, but, alas, he comes 200 years late

[Meffy]

Sure you play a note a 16th longer than on the notation, you play pianissimo when it says fortissimo etc. etc. etc.

I think you're minimizing the talent of the performers by trivializing it and throwing in absurdity. (No sensible peformer is likely to substitute pp for ff, are they? Unless it's for a joke.) It's not a matter of a single note being longer. It's a matter of adding one's own personal interpretation to a piece, of contributing one's own feelings to its expression. That's hardly trivial.

BUT YOU DID NOT CREATE THE SYMPHONY.

Here we disagree. When it comes to complex works, creation's generally not a simple either/or. It is a cooperative (sometimes even competitive!) effort, involving composer(s) and performer(s). Without the performers, the composer isn't going to hear much but rustling paper and scratching quill. Or rigid, invariable MIDI output. [edit] Or the pounding of bill collectors at the door. ;-)

Consider a play. Do we insist on disregarding the actors as mere tokens, movable pieces who twitch and spin according to the dictates of the omnipotent playwright? Or do we give our admiration in measure to the playwright and to those who turn his dry script into a living work of art on the stage? The latter, I think.

Authorship does not equal sole creatorship. It's important. But it's not the be-all and end-all of art.

Meffy

[duncanparsons]

...what meffy said...

DSP

[nutekk]

* he is like a sampler, his memory is astonishing and he can remix classical music on his mind

funny you say that...because i listened to his
piece "the storm" and to me it sounded like a
rehash of like seven different pieces.

but he withoutadoubt is talented.
i do think the media is involved

but all that bull about having a multichannel head and to have a few compositions going at the same time
sounds like bull to me

from what i have read about the great composers...
what they did ...did not come easy..
it drove them to the brink of madness.
and going to that edge is where true masterpieces
come from.

is it possible to be innovative classicly?